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    I wouldn't say bar none, Cameron started this clusterfuck and immediately high tailed it to the south of France.

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      Indeed. You could say he might have made a marginally less bad fist of clearing up the mess, but he did shit the bed in the first place. And – with a cowardice befitting so many of his background who just glide, responsibility-free and unscathed, through life – then ran away when it all got too smelly.

      Also, he was an unrepentant class warrior who barely even bothered with the pretence of caring about the people whose lives his economic dogma was ruining.

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        How easily people forget Thatcher. Not sure of her own particular redeeming characteristics.

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          Thatcher was an effective PM on her own terms. Cameron and (especially May) don't even qualify on that score. Plenty of other competition that shouldn't be ruled out though. Chamberlain? Eden? Lord North?

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            Isn't "Flextension" just extension? Britain could have left the EU 20 months ago if May had actually tried to negotiate a proper withdrawal agreement and sell it to her party. There's nothing that says Britain has to wait until the deadline before making a move.

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              Quite. Indeed I think I predicted a bit of flim-flammery along these lines somewhere up thread...

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                Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                Hunt seems to understand that the chances of this gambit working are very small and that the choices are a long extension or no deal.

                The EU 27 should kill this (again) now, rather than give the media a weekend to blame everything on Labour.
                France seems to have killed it

                I am somewhat surprised that a No Deal exit this month is 9/1 against at William Hills. I'd be on that if I were allowed by Mrs Distel.

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                  Yeah, I think I'll take that up, actually.

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                    Talks broken down. I know its the Labour version of events as they've got their brief out first, but sounds like May wouldn't budge an inch.

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                      https://twitter.com/Banbury4Europe/status/1114063310163468288

                      Marvellous stuff.

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                        Yup. Right on, Betty.

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                          That is indeed magnificent.

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                            Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post
                            Talks broken down. I know its the Labour version of events as they've got their brief out first, but sounds like May wouldn't budge an inch.

                            It's pretty much down to May to let us know where she was willing to compromise otherwise it's pretty clear that she wasn't willing to compromise and this is just gamesmanship. Because we could reasonably assume that if she had had any issues she was going to compromise on, half the cabinet would have resigned. So, yeah, gamesmanship, unless she shows otherwise. The Labour version of events is pretty obviously true.

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                              FWIW, this was being discussed on Newsnight. There was a consensus from the reporters and guests that both sides were taking them seriously but that the Maybot's inflexibility and unpreparedness to amend the political declaration was a huge sticking point. However, there's now movement on the Government side and it's being suggested that it could be changed. Labour, though, want any amended document enshrined in law but it's uncertain is that feasible.

                              Something like that anyway.

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                                I don't know how you'd get "close alignment with the Single Market" into law, given that there's not really such a thing.

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                                  I think it was just the words and intentions of whatever changes are made to the PD that Labour want to somehow entrench in law, in case May's successor decides to push for a hard Brexit.

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                                    Putting my collector's hat on, these passports will surely become valuable in future years, given the window between burgundy and blue will end in October.
                                    Last edited by Diable Rouge; 06-04-2019, 08:15.

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                                      Good, as I'm getting one next week.

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                                        I got my renewal recently, it still has "European Union" on it.

                                        (The old passports were black)

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                                          Originally posted by TonTon View Post
                                          I got my renewal recently, it still has "European Union" on it.

                                          (The old passports were black)
                                          Like priest socks.

                                          https://images.app.goo.gl/xo524wVBeu7fvKy89

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                                            Are we going to have to go through another whole year of this bollocks?

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                                              (The old passports were black)

                                              The old ones were a very dark blue, I thought.

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                                                Yeah, navy blue.

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                                                  Betty Boothroyd - Christ, we desperately need more of her sort in politics.

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                                                    Black. Absolutely definitely black. Without question.

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