The Brexit Thread

[Wouter D]

I'm learning all kinds of new words from posts like that. I assume that the tumbril is a distant cousin of the mandril, which seems like an appropriate conversational partner for Johnson.

[Nefertiti2]

Richard Evans On Brexit & History

[URL]https://twitter.com/richardevans36/status/1157583736847982594?s=21[/URL]

Contains this Conservative gem

another recent ill-informed outburst by a Conservative politician caused widespread outrage in the European Parliament. The MEP Syed Kamall responded to a call from Udo Bullmann, the German leader of the socialist group in the chamber, for right-wing extremism to be fought wherever it emerged in Europe, by telling him: “When you talk about right-wing extremists, we have to remember that the Nazis were national socialists. It’s a strain of socialism. It’s a left-wing ideology. They want the same thing as you, let’s be quite clear.” Not surprisingly, Bullmann found these remarks “an insult to all those social democrats who fought against Nazism”. Kamall later issued a half-hearted apology, but the damage had been done.

shoukd have punched the fucker

[NHH]

Thatcher used to say the same thing.

[ursus arctos]

[URL="https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1157669385743605761?s=21"]https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1157669385743605761[/URL]

[David Agnew]

Labour's proposed Brexit deal (the only one that could meet their tests) was one that was involved staying in the Single Market, while arguing that they had left (or that it had been reformed) and continuing with FoM but being able to declare that they had ended FoM (or that it had been reformed). I think the EU probably would have been willing to try and find a form of words that would have allowed that. I don't think it would have passed parliament though, as remainers would be unhappy that it lost our seat on the table, while leavers would be unhappy that it didn't "really" leave. But it would have accepted the democratic decision of the referendum without destroying the economy.

Ending freedom of movement was an explicit red line, though.

Because if you have red lines that state you'd only accept a deal if you get the exact same benefits of a customs union and the single market, but also end freedom of movement, you have a set of red lines that can never be passed, because they fall over on page one stuff.

Either Keir Starmer has very poor attention to detail, and didn't notice this policy when he inherited it, or the red lines were deliberately designed to fail. Fortunately, the press were too busy creating their own narrative of "Labour doesn't have a Brexit policy" to even look at the actual policy that Labour published and repeated unchanged in eighteen months, to even pay it that level of attention.

[Nefertiti2]

This sounds like the way to build an inclusive movement

[URL]https://twitter.com/katemaltby/status/1158381602398965760?s=21[/URL]

[ursus arctos]

Boris Johnson has no intention of renegotiating the withdrawal agreement and a no-deal Brexit is his “central scenario”, EU diplomats have been briefed following a meeting between the prime minister’s chief envoy and officials in Brussels.

David Frost, who replaced Olly Robbins as the government’s chief Europe adviser, was said to have instead sought to discuss how negotiations could be reset after the UK crashes out on 31 October, during his recent talks with senior EU figures.

“It was clear UK does not have another plan,” a senior EU diplomat said of the meetings with Frost. “No intention to negotiate, which would require a plan. A no deal now appears to be the UK government’s central scenario.”

Last week Frost met Clara Martínez Alberola, the head of cabinet for the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker; Stéphanie Riso, a senior official in Michel Barnier’s negotiations taskforce, who was a key player in drafting the terms of the backstop, and Ilze Juhansone, the deputy secretary general at the commission.

The lack of any proposal on how to deal with the controversial Irish backstop was felt to be significant by the EU officials.

Frost was said to have told the officials that a technological solution to the Irish border was the UK’s preferred option before admitting that “it would not be ready now for Brexit”.

“Even if EU gave up the backstop there is no alternative,” a diplomat concluded of the discussion.

“That message has now gone loud and clear to capitals, it was useful to hear it form horse’s mouth,” the EU source said. “Reality is sinking in.”

[DCI Harry Batt]

Yeah. What a fucking shitheap.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Who's Maltby? The name sounds familiar.

[Etienne]

Tory. Victim of sexual harassment. Semi-regular Guardian columnist.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Tory. Victim of sexual harassment. Semi-regular Guardian columnist.

2. I remember that. Not any of the others. Thanks

[Guy Profumo]

Have you got any idea how much damage the EU will suffer if the UK leaves without a deal?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...-affect-the-eu


"None whatsoever."

[Snake Plissken]

So, stopping Brexit isn't a priority then?

[URL]https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1159134111979716608[/URL]

Nice parroting of old Tory attack lines, too.

[E10 Rifle]

So, this "Government of National Unity" bollocks requires everyone to compromise except the likes of Swinson. Gonna work out well, that idea, isn't it?

[ursus arctos]

The Government of National Unity is going to be smaller than Change UK

[Snake Plissken]

Chukka's going to be getting that Leaders job quicker than he expected.

[San Bernardhinault]

To be fair, Labour's official policy is still to leave the EU. The policy is to somehow negotiate a "better" deal and then have a referendum on that - but as it will be a Labour approved, Labour negotiated deal we can only assume that they'll campaign in favour of it when the referendum comes (unless they're all going to do a Raab and resign because they don't like their own deal). You can see why someone who's committed to remaining, rather than merely committed against a Hard Brexit, might be disinclined to back a party that takes Labour's current position.

[Snake Plissken]

There is no "to be fair" about it. As stated, given a choice between Corbyn leading a minority Government (however temporary) which will revoke A50 (or even get an extension for a GE/second referendum) and a Tory No Deal Brexit, Jo Swinsons clearly stated position is to back the latter.

[San Bernardhinault]

Are we being offered a Corbyn led government that will revoke Article 50?

[E10 Rifle]

Labour's policy is also to stop a no-deal Brexit, which is where we're actually headed. So if the aim is to topple Johnson in a vote of confidence, cobble together a holding government to take us through 31 October and get the A50 extension and a general election called, wouldn't the most democratic option be the leader of the largest of the opposition parties that oppose no-deal to lead this very temporary government?

I mean it's a flawed idea fundamentally, but not as flawed as picking out a nebulous "great and the good" backbencher (appointed how?) to paternalistically steer this clown-car.

[San Bernardhinault]

I also feel like the question being asked of Swinson is unfair. What do you think Jeremy Corbyn would reply if he was asked if he'd be willing to lead a Lib-Dem and SNP heavy coalition that would revoke Article 50? For all the usual reasons of domestic politics, he'd have to say that he wouldn't do that and he'd intend to win an election and implement Labour policy (which is to have a With-Deal Brexit).

[Moonlight Shadow]

Nothing to expect from those clowns, bring that no deal Brexit and see what happens, i have given up any hope by now...

[Snake Plissken]

I mean it's a flawed idea fundamentally, but not as flawed as picking out a nebulous "great and the good" backbencher (appointed how?) to paternalistically steer this clown-car.

And just totally coincidentally to be unelected to a position of power and able to change the Party how they want to afterwards. Coincidentally, of course. Absolutely.

[Guy Profumo]

Seeing as I've been roundly upbraided for foul, abusive language by aDMIN0 - quite rightly you may say, and, I'll probably agree.

I'll put this here.

And say no more





https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...-no-deal-today

[DCI Harry Batt]

"bias" isn't an adjective.