But the point is that it's hard to blame the kids for being ambivalent about voting when the democracy is so undemocratic.
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To a degree, yes.
I think there's a lot of internet-hate being targeted at the millennials in that piece. While I do find them frustrating, I think that the takeaway from the piece shouldn't be that millennials are all irresponsible and pathetic. It should be that our democracy is fucked and needs to be sorted.
That said - voting in Britain is trivially easy compared to voting in the US.
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Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View PostTo a degree, yes.
I think there's a lot of internet-hate being targeted at the millennials in that piece. While I do find them frustrating, I think that the takeaway from the piece shouldn't be that millennials are all irresponsible and pathetic. It should be that our democracy is fucked and needs to be sorted.
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I don't think the UK has much to teach to the US when it comes yo those imbalances. Coming from a country where power is a very consensual, broad-church affair it makes me think how this 'winner takes all' stuff is rather depressing...
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I think the democratic deficit is just a compounding factor - if it's already an effort to get out and vote (a 2 hour wait in line; a bunch of paperwork to be sent and organised; a frankly bafflingly long ballot where you don't know what half of the jobs are...) then the feeling that your vote anyway isn't worth what it should be might exacerbate your apathy.
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A couple of those kids were dumbasses (the Bernie Sanders volunteer who doesn’t understand how party primaries work, for one), but I’d say about half are basically victims of voter suppression, their whole screeds are about how hard it is to register and what a pain in the ass it is to wait hours to vote. That’s the problem there.
Several of the others just live in rock solid one party states cities. Trust me, voting in San Francisco is not interesting. The propositions are more interesting, but if you’re a low engagement voter or potential voter like these people, Prop C is not getting you out of bed.
The organiser in NYC is clearly a revsoc or an anarchist.
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Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View PostI'm inclined to agree. I find the entire generational argument — that it's all, somehow, the fault of either the old or the young — pointless and destructive.
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US politics has largely abandoned any sense of a “common good”, which is a significant reason we are where we are.
In other news, this is interesting
https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/1057698731666165761?s=21
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostUS politics has largely abandoned any sense of a “common good”, which is a significant reason we are where we are.
In other news, this is interesting
https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/1057698731666165761?s=21
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Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View PostCouple of dicy polls for Dean Heller today, by a pollster 538 rate.
Unfortunately, there are a couple of good polls for Scott Walker today too. By a pollster 538 rate.
Racist corrupt local shitbox Duncan Hunter is now only 3 points up on PLO-Mexican Ammar Campa-Najjar despite being in one of the Trumpiest parts of California
And Prop 6 now appears to be polling badly. There was one poll where it had a massive lead, but that may have been an outlier.
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I did read somewhere that he had raised 70 million bucks and Ted Cruz only 25 million or so. A lot of the Beto money is coming from Cruz haters all over the US. Perhaps he has spent a load of it on a massive Get Out the Vote campaign. If he has changed the voting demographic then you can throw the existing polling models out the window.
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Models do consider money raised. I don't know what they make of Texas' situation.Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 31-10-2018, 19:52.
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Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View PostAh. If we're playing "individual polls" , there were a couple of fun ones yesterday.
Racist corrupt local shitbox Duncan Hunter is now only 3 points up on PLO-Mexican Ammar Campa-Najjar despite being in one of the Trumpiest parts of California
And Prop 6 now appears to be polling badly. There was one poll where it had a massive lead, but that may have been an outlier.
That's the petrol tax thing? Would be good if that didn't pass.
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