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  • johnr
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    Trump's Card

    Maybe a thread where we can place an ongoing critique of the man, his actions, and his consequences.

  • San Bernardhinault
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    And now I'm sure we're all wondering what inducements Saudi Arabia paid in order to get US troops to go for a visit. Because that's where we are now.

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  • ursus arctos
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    You would think so, but Nancy and Joe just aren't sure

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    This increasingly feels like it should be a massive fucking deal. This is the literal smoking gun that demands impeachment. If the President can blackmail foreign countries by refusing aid for personal gain, and everyone knows about it, and nobody does anything... well, then there's basically nothing he could do that would warrant impeachment proceedings. The Mueller obstruction of justice stuff is obviously illegal but is not the kind of thing that the public would get worked up about - it looks technical and a bit second level (a possible crime about a possible crime). Bribing and blackmailing the new Ukrainian government using the US government is pretty damned transparent and easy to understand.

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  • ursus arctos
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    They will spin that as a positive since the report claims that there was no direct quid pro quo

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  • Nefertiti2
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    [TRUMP]https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1175131274723377154?s=20[/TRUMP]

    oops that should be

    https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1175131274723377154?s=20

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  • Bruno
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    Sure Trump is a straight up crook, but what if we nominate someone slightly too liberal???? I need to stop reading the news.

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  • Eggchaser
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    Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
    Yes, but it's genuinely hard to think of anything he could do that the base would reject.
    Ban pick up trucks.

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  • Ginger Yellow
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    Who could have imagined that someone whose campaign slogan was "lock her up" would improperly use the powers of office to seek to have his political opponents prosecuted?

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  • Sporting
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    Should I (were I a baddie) actively want Giuliani as my lawyer?

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  • ursus arctos
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    [URL="https://twitter.com/axios/status/1174855025048375296?s=21"]https://twitter.com/axios/status/1174855025048375296[/URL]

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  • ursus arctos
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    The Post now has multiple sources confirming that it is Ukraine

    Which has led to

    [URL="https://twitter.com/kevinmkruse/status/1174854781103497216?s=21"]https://twitter.com/kevinmkruse/status/1174854781103497216[/URL]

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  • ursus arctos
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    That is of course true, but I'm not sure that this would peel off a meaningful number of non-base voters who went with him in 16 are still there.

    That said, it could be the kind of thing that puts another thumb in the scale for those inclined to jump ship.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    Yes, but it's genuinely hard to think of anything he could do that the base would reject.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Not to the base, of course.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    Well, now. That seems very naughty, doesn't it? Not so naughty that Republican Senators would vote to impeach on it, but it may be naughty enough to actually be damaging to the President.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    [URL]https://twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2/status/1174763559802327040[/URL]

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    [URL]https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1174737428474716160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1174755456927055877&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fblogs%2Fblog-briefing-room%2Fnews%2F462209-george-conway-if-trump-pushed-ukraine-to-investigate-biden-he[/URL]

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  • ursus arctos
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    There is increasing speculation here that the conduct at issue relates to threatening/cajoling Ukraine that their refusal to come up with dirt on one of Biden's son who has been active there has had negative consequences for their relationship with the US. This particular witch-hunt happens to have been Giuliani's primary obsession for the last several months.

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    There'll be a golf course involved in the deal somehow.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    And all it cost was a thousand pounds of cheese.

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  • Wouter D
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    As to who "the foreign leader" was, as the article notes, during the relevant time period, the president interacted with Putin, Kim, Imran Khan, the Emir of Qatar and the PM of the Netherlands.
    That is excellent. Maybe Mark Rutte finally finagled Trump's support for our impending annexation of Flanders.

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  • ursus arctos
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    This is the WaPo story she was riffing off of.

    The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trumpís communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

    Trumpís interaction with the foreign leader included a ďpromiseĒ that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community, said the former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

    It was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver, but his direct involvement in the matter has not been previously disclosed. It raises new questions about the presidentís handling of sensitive information and may further strain his relationship with U.S. spy agencies. One former official said the communication was a phone call.
    As to who "the foreign leader" was, as the article notes, during the relevant time period, the president interacted with Putin, Kim, Imran Khan, the Emir of Qatar and the PM of the Netherlands.

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  • WOM
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    It might have been something he said privately to a foreign leader in a room. The whistleblower was obviously in a privileged position to hear it.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    It seems to be in a complete vacuum. There must be reporting somewhere about a "promise" to some foreign leader (do we know which one?) for this to make sense, but I've not seen it.

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