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    It was from some lad on twitter so yeah the veracity of Ireland’s self sufficiency may be doubtful.

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      Ireland may produce more than enough calories to feed the population several times over but that doesn't include our desire to eat food out of season, or eat shit that isn't grown here. We are not self sufficient in sun dried tomatoes, or parma ham.

      Priti Patel has amazing hair. I strongly suspect that the reason that it is so lush and vibrant is that the roots have been feeding on her brain for several years now. There's something very similar going on with James brokenshire. He was on question time last night, and it occured to me that if he let his hair grow out, I think he would grow a bearskin helmet on his head, like a sentry at buckingham palace.

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        Our sun dried tomato crop would be up there with the tobacco fields of Carlow.

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          http://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1071100835889864706

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            Oh good.

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              The North-South cooperation document has been published.

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                What nearly was:

                http://twitter.com/dramdarcy/status/1070625492993220609

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                  I'm sorry and all that to the dedicated Labourites of the board (and I'd dearly like to count myself as one, in better days), but Jesus H Tittyfucking Christ on a Two-Stroke Moped, this guy's a tool.

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                    https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...trying-woo-dup

                    Doubtless this is a long game I’m not seeing or evil Sensible journalist distortion.

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                      http://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1071332541427343361

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                        There's a great clip from Channel 4 news (I presume last night) interviewing a Norwegian MP about this Norway plus possibility (she describes the UK as an abusive guest who will spike the drinks). She's on here around 3.00 and then again around 5.20 https://www.channel4.com/news/what-d...lo-to-find-out

                        (ultimately she makes it very plain that she can see only negatives for Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein of letting the UK into EFTA)
                        Last edited by ad hoc; 08-12-2018, 09:27.

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                          Labour's thinking

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                            Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
                            That's a lot of cabbage spoony.

                            AKK (Annegret) to take Mutti away?

                            <Applause>

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                              This is where I seriously part ways with Corbyn. I think it's his job (even his duty) to lead and make it very clear that leaving the EU is going to be a massive economic disaster that's going to hit everyone but the working class the hardest. I'm tired of politicians who follow polling and focus groups rather than trying to lead and persuade. It's fucking blairite.

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                                Comma after everyone

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                                  Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                  There's a great clip from Channel 4 news (I presume last night) interviewing a Norwegian MP about this Norway plus possibility (she describes the UK as an abusive guest who will spike the drinks). She's on here around 3.00 and then again around 5.20 https://www.channel4.com/news/what-d...lo-to-find-out

                                  (ultimately she makes it very plain that she can see only negatives for Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein of letting the UK into EFTA)
                                  I would tell the UK to fuck off in their position.

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                                    I think it's [Corbyn's] job (even his duty) to lead and make it very clear that leaving the EU is going to be a massive economic disaster that's going to hit everyone but the working class the hardest. I'm tired of politicians who follow polling and focus groups rather than trying to lead and persuade.
                                    I've thought that for a very long time. Having that Lexiter fuckwit as leader of the Labour Party at this moment of crisis is a potential disaster for the country. [Edit: comma as pointed out by Nef taken as read.]

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                                      Marina Hyde, brilliant as ever, has the measure of Corbyn's fantasy:

                                      a comment article by Jeremy Corbyn, who has come up with – and do forgive yet more Brexit technicalese – some complete handwavy bollocks of an alternative position, whose own internal contradictions either haven’t been spotted by anyone dutifully pushing it, or are basically not cared about because … because unicorns.
                                      https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...g-nigel-farage

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                                        Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                        This is where I seriously part ways with Corbyn. I think it's his job (even his duty) to lead and make it very clear that leaving the EU is going to be a massive economic disaster that's going to hit everyone but the working class the hardest. I'm tired of politicians who follow polling and focus groups rather than trying to lead and persuade. It's fucking blairite.
                                        I can see why it's frustrating, and I think - one way or the other - his and Starmer's approach will bear fruit or not over the next week or two. The time to make the case you suggest will be when/if there's a PV. He could make it along the lines of the one he made two years ago (by the way, there's a photo about 2/3rds of the way down that page that nicely encapsulates why Remain lost.

                                        Marina Hyde has never been brilliant, she just has a nicely smug way with words. Corbyn is saying the same as Starmer - 'because unicorns' is hackneyed, and nonsensical, given that Starmer has met with the EU a few more times than Hyde, and might know a bit more about what's possible than her.

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                                          Labour aren't doing particularly well in council by-elections this last month or so, I notice. There are a few good performances where you look at the previous vote and think it could have been close this time, and that is positive, like they can get votes out where they need them. But it doesn't yet look like the Tories would do much worse than last time in a snap election, and they sure won't muck up the campaign like last time.

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                                            Given that the route to a GE is probably via May being deposed, there's no saying what the Conservative party would run on, or indeed who'll still be left in the party, so it could easily mess up.

                                            It's incredibly hard to second-guess what might happen in even the next week, but Labour's options might well be 1) they can't get a GE, so go for a PV, as per the conference vote, or 2) they get a GE, and win it with a manifesto commitment to renegotiate what they can - whilst recognising that that will be limited - then put that to a vote against Remaining.

                                            I'm very worried about the latter - whilst No Deal is the biggest nightmare of the first order, I'm still sceptical of how it can be 'ignored' in a vote, given the turnout of the last one. And I also don't like referenda. But I think that might be where it's heading.

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                                              Originally posted by johnr View Post
                                              Given that the route to a GE is probably via May being deposed, there's no saying what the Conservative party would run on, or indeed who'll still be left in the party, so it could easily mess up.

                                              It's incredibly hard to second-guess what might happen in even the next week, but Labour's options might well be 1) they can't get a GE, so go for a PV, as per the conference vote, or 2) they get a GE, and win it with a manifesto commitment to renegotiate what they can - whilst recognising that that will be limited - then put that to a vote against Remaining.

                                              I'm very worried about the latter - whilst No Deal is the biggest nightmare of the first order, I'm still sceptical of how it can be 'ignored' in a vote, given the turnout of the last one. And I also don't like referenda. But I think that might be where it's heading.
                                              The question I'd have with that argument is that you can't quantify what fraction of Leave voters are "purist" WTO advocates - certainly in match-ups this week, no deal loses to every possible alternative, and a binary vote of Remain v May's deal allows Leave to reinforce its mandate.

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                                                Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                                This is where I seriously part ways with Corbyn. I think it's his job (even his duty) to lead and make it very clear that leaving the EU is going to be a massive economic disaster that's going to hit everyone but the working class the hardest. I'm tired of politicians who follow polling and focus groups rather than trying to lead and persuade. It's fucking blairite.
                                                I don't think Corbyn actually believes that. He thinks Labour could use the freedom of being outside the EU to pursue a more socialist economic policy. He is a closet Brexiter on purely left-wing economic grounds IMHO.

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                                                  Originally posted by N est à? View Post
                                                  Comma after everyone
                                                  Indeed. Thanks

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                                                    http://twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1071315757374550016

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