The reports coming out of India have amazed me; not so much the chaos of mass internal migration but rather the utter lack of comprehension on the part of a democratic government on the reality of the lives of masses of their citizens. What the hell did they think was going to happen when they announce a complete lockdown on a population where many millions live from hand to mouth?
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Originally posted by Glass Half Empty View PostThe reports coming out of India have amazed me; not so much the chaos of mass internal migration but rather the utter lack of comprehension on the part of a democratic government on the reality of the lives of masses of their citizens. What the hell did they think was going to happen when they announce a complete lockdown on a population where many millions live from hand to mouth?
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Originally posted by diggedy derek View PostMuukalainen, what does Finland make of Sweden's approach to the crisis?
We've been incredibly lucky in Pohjois-Pohjanmaa with the outbreak so far, with just 58 confirmed cases, 3 in hospital (2 of those in ICU) and a single death. I trust that this situation won't lead to a sense of complacency, and that people continue to take their individual responsibilities seriously. The evidence from elsewhere is very clear as to what can happen to us too.
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Re: domestic production: this just got announced by Science Group:
On 13 March 2020, Sagentia Limited, a subsidiary of Science Group plc, attended a conference call with a number of other organisations at the request of the UK Government. The UK programme for a Rapidly Manufactured Ventilator System ("RMVS") was initiated.
A team from Sagentia commenced work immediately. In just a few weeks, the Science Group team, led by Sagentia with additional resourcing from across the Group, has developed, prototyped and documented the Sagentia Ventilator. This very intensive development programme is continuing to be funded by the UK Government on a time and materials basis.
The Sagentia Ventilator adopts a different approach from other participants in the UK Government RMVS initiative by primarily using conventional fabrication techniques (eg CNC machining and laser cutting), services which can be supplied by a wide range of manufacturing partners. As such, this innovative design minimises sourced components (which are currently in high demand around the world) and also provides an intuitive user interface to facilitate rapid deployment with minimal training.
A working prototype of the Sagentia Ventilator has been produced and 20 trial units are currently in the process of being manufactured. These units will be used for evaluation and submitted for regulatory approval through the Medical and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency ("MHRA"). As with any medical device, there can be no certainty that the unit will receive regulatory approval nor that the Sagentia Ventilator will enter production.
A manufacturing contract ("Manufacturing Contract") is being negotiated by Science Group with the UK Government, for production of 10,000 units of the Sagentia Ventilator conditional upon receiving MHRA approval. These units will be manufactured by a subsidiary of Science Group and/or subcontract manufacturing organisations. The Manufacturing Contract is anticipated to provide Science Group with the necessary working capital and cash flow for materials procurement, labour, overheads and set up costs. Certain long lead-time components have already been ordered to accelerate the manufacturing schedule of the Sagentia Ventilator.
From first concept to manufactured medical device in one month is a formidable challenge set by the UK Government. But these are extraordinary times. The Sagentia Ventilator Team have exhibited incredible dedication and commitment and the Science Group Board is proud of the remarkable achievement and the potential contribution that the Group is making to address the Covid-19 pandemic. Science Group also acknowledge the unprecedented collaboration between normally competitor Cambridge-based consultancies, together with the support provided by the UK Government in their determination to deliver this critical initiative. The RMVS programme has again demonstrated the outstanding and innovative capability of British science and engineering.
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Originally posted by Muukalainen View PostI've had difficulty finding any comment at all about Sweden's approach, at least via the media. The government's opinion can perhaps best be judged by the fact that we're adopting a very different approach, ours being the common line of restricting movement. Privately, opinions vary from "plain stupidity" to "they're running a hell of a risk", though my social circle isn't exactly wide at the moment. I certainly don't know of anyone who agrees with it or thinks it's a risk worth taking.
We've been incredibly lucky in Pohjois-Pohjanmaa with the outbreak so far, with just 58 confirmed cases, 3 in hospital (2 of those in ICU) and a single death. I trust that this situation won't lead to a sense of complacency, and that people continue to take their individual responsibilities seriously. The evidence from elsewhere is very clear as to what can happen to us too.
I also see that the supermarket cashiers here continue to work without any additional measures. No customer limitations, no distancing no perspex shielding has been introduced for the workers. Hell, even the contactless payment terminals still require us to press OK on the terminal.
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Toby Young proposes a cull of the elderly to keep the economy going:
https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1244940563629182976
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- Mar 2008
- 19102
- Revelling In The Hole
- England, Chelsea and Tooting and Mitcham. And Surrey CCC. And Wimbledon Dons Speedway (RIP)
- Nairn's Cheese Oatcake
Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View PostLatest UK daily death total 393, big leap after two day on day declines.
There was something on Newsnight last night about how the ONS were proposing changes to the compilation methodology and how deaths in care homes where COVID-19 was presumed to have been a factor hadn't been included in the statistics up until now. Possibly explains the jump.
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- Mar 2008
- 19102
- Revelling In The Hole
- England, Chelsea and Tooting and Mitcham. And Surrey CCC. And Wimbledon Dons Speedway (RIP)
- Nairn's Cheese Oatcake
Originally posted by Muukalainen View PostI've had difficulty finding any comment at all about Sweden's approach, at least via the media. The government's opinion can perhaps best be judged by the fact that we're adopting a very different approach, ours being the common line of restricting movement. Privately, opinions vary from "plain stupidity" to "they're running a hell of a risk", though my social circle isn't exactly wide at the moment. I certainly don't know of anyone who agrees with it or thinks it's a risk worth taking.
We've been incredibly lucky in Pohjois-Pohjanmaa with the outbreak so far, with just 58 confirmed cases, 3 in hospital (2 of those in ICU) and a single death. I trust that this situation won't lead to a sense of complacency, and that people continue to take their individual responsibilities seriously. The evidence from elsewhere is very clear as to what can happen to us too.
This was the Beeb's take a couple of days ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293
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- Mar 2008
- 19102
- Revelling In The Hole
- England, Chelsea and Tooting and Mitcham. And Surrey CCC. And Wimbledon Dons Speedway (RIP)
- Nairn's Cheese Oatcake
Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostFor anyone perplexed by the US state flag hijack
Back to vexillology.
I was watching an Aerial America programme on the Smithsonian channel a few days ago which explained the bear and the "California Republic" legend on the state flag.
The Maryland flag appeared in Philomena, which I also saw recently, a magnificent design seemingly dating from the Battle of Crecy.
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Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
There was something on Newsnight last night about how the ONS were proposing changes to the compilation methodology and how deaths in care homes where COVID-19 was presumed to have been a factor hadn't been included in the statistics up until now. Possibly explains the jump.
Edit - having said that, the same announcement mentions 381 so maybe the 393 quoted elsewhere includes non-hospital cases (though still doesn't explain the leap of course).
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Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View PostThere was something on Newsnight last night about how the ONS were proposing changes to the compilation methodology and how deaths in care homes where COVID-19 was presumed to have been a factor hadn't been included in the statistics up until now. Possibly explains the jump.
Edit: as WFD just said
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