Chuka Can't: The IG Thread

[Etienne]

I think "Chinos" (Change in name only) is better than Tiggers.

[Nocturnal Submission]

They're absolute clowns, TIG. They've got failure and incompetence written all over them, have done since day one and yet are still taking seriously by centrist remainers as our only political hope.

I'm still waiting for them to give us the bare bones of a policy platform. Their website just waffles on in vague, widely-accepted generalities.The one thing that gives us an inkling of a position is the following:

Britain works best as a diverse, mixed social market economy, in which well-regulated private enterprise can reward aspiration and drive economic progress and where government has the responsibility to ensure the sound stewardship of taxpayers’ money and a stable, fair and balanced economy.

Doesn't sound like Tiggers will be bothering with too much economic intervention or radical tax changes.

It's important not to forget the real victims in all of this though - the Liberal Democrats. Why is a party without policies, but which inhabits the same political space as the Lib Dems, intermittently outperforming them in the polls? Why did Rachel Johnson defect? What have they got that Vince & The Gang haven't?

[DCI Harry Batt]

Isn't it mainly because the Liberals have shown themselves to be utterly disgusting, in office, in recent memory?

[Nocturnal Submission]

But that's what you think about The New Labourites and Tories in ChUK? There's no difference to you, is there?

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

I suspect that having Vnice as leader still is a big part of it. Once we get Jo Swinson into that role, we'll soon see how relatively significant Change UK are. I wonder how many party members they'll get up to, and how many Councils they will win control of. Deluded fuckers.

Edit: I think I'll just leave that inadvertent typo in there.

[DCI Harry Batt]

But that's what you think about The New Labourites and Tories in ChUK? There's no difference to you, is there?

I'm not the target audience.

[Nocturnal Submission]

I'm not the target audience.

Yeh, but for purposes of dialogue on this and other threads, you need to think a bit like it, coz if we're asking the question what is ChUK's appeal given that their only policy is a second EU referendum, like a number of other parties, or why would a LibDem join them, when you don't expect to discover a measurable difference between their policies when the latter get around to writing them down, a revolutionary socialist saying that he finds them all absolutely awful doesn't really get us much further towards the answers, does it.

[Diable Rouge]

Yeh, but for purposes of dialogue on this and other threads, you need to think a bit like it, coz if we're asking the question what is ChUK's appeal given that their only policy is a second EU referendum, like a number of other parties, or why would a LibDem join them, when you don't expect to discover a measurable difference between their policies when the latter get around to writing them down, a revolutionary socialist saying that he finds them all absolutely awful doesn't really get us much further towards the answers, does it.

The next Euro elections opinion poll will be telling - if either the Greens or Lib Dems make a decisive break, the CHUKites won't hesitate to move towards the Remain pacesetter.

[Snake Plissken]

[URL="https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1120676991672434688"]https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/stat...76991672434688[/URL]

[Nocturnal Submission]

ChUK need to fight the Euro-elections as a single entity to try to raise their national profile, start to build a support network and to try to get a bit of a bandwagon rolling, even though a genuine alliance with, say, the LibDems and Greens would give the pro-Remain bloc a much larger number of seats than they would win if they fought the elections independently. In other words, they're putting party before a strategy which might move them towards their most cherished objective.

That's new politics, that is.

[Lang Spoon]

It's the politics of oblivion, hopefully.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Yeh, but for purposes of dialogue on this and other threads, you need to think a bit like it, coz if we're asking the question what is ChUK's appeal given that their only policy is a second EU referendum, like a number of other parties, or why would a LibDem join them, when you don't expect to discover a measurable difference between their policies when the latter get around to writing them down, a revolutionary socialist saying that he finds them all absolutely awful doesn't really get us much further towards the answers, does it.

Ok, but that isn't what I said, or anything like what I said.

The Liberals have been in government recently, and suffered considerably for it, electorally. The CHUK haven't. That is a difference.

I don't feel much differently about the two entities. But that wasn't the question, and it wasn't my answer.

[Nocturnal Submission]

But ChUK, as is well-known, is comprised of former members and one ex-minister of the party that has been in government for the last nine years plus former members of the party that governed, controversially at times, for the 13 years before that. So, to suggest that someone would say that they don't fancy supporting the party of Layla Moran but will definitely give one with Soubry and Ummuna in it a go, seems a bit odd, especially as I don't expect their support base is quite as appalled by what the LibDems did in coalition as you are.

It seems pretty obvious to me that it's the novelty of the new, ChUK's slightly higher public profile at present and perhaps their dynamism when set against Cable's slightly careworn leadership of the LibDems,

[DCI Harry Batt]

Ok.

[delicatemoth]

Chuk, chuk, chuk... another one bites the dust - https://twitter.com/alasdair_clark/s...98699210031104

Really starting to believe this lot are a Lib Dem psyop to make the LDs look less risible.

[Sean of the Shed]

Prospective candidate Joseph Russo has been dropped after a stream of appalling Tweets had been uncovered. (Click and scroll through thread)

[URL]https://twitter.com/alasdair_clark/status/1120998662438576128[/URL]

[Patrick Thistle]

I'm with TonTon on this I think. The Lib Dems will always, for me, be the enablers of austerity and the party that made David Cameron prime minister. However bad the upchuck party are, they haven't got that on their hands. And, yes, there are some ex Tories but the emphasis is on the ex. They have actually left the Tory Party while a Lib Dem is still a member of the party that agreed on crushing the most vulnerable people in society in return for a self-serving disastrous referendum about Alternative Votes.

[ursus arctos]

Very much an aside, but "loony" is a very generous description of Tom Monaghan's version of Catholicism

There is not going to be any pornographic television in Ave Maria Town," Monaghan said in 2004, in a speech on his vision for the Florida town. "If you go to the drug store and you want to buy the pill or the condoms or contraception, you won't be able to get that in Ave Maria Town."

While Monaghan retracted his statements, Ave Maria has grown into a religious-centric town like no other in the last 12 years, funded in large part by the former pizza CEO.

Though he sold Dominos in 1998, and it is the billion dollars that he received that he has been spending on the Ave Maria empire.

[E10 Rifle]

The comprehensively revolting Islamaphobic cheerleader for housing privatisation in Haringey, Nora Mulready, has been rumbled at last.

This is the person whose "horrible hard-left bullies chased me out of the Labour party" crocodile tear-ed sob stories wooed most media pundits last year.

[Diable Rouge]

Very much an aside, but "loony" is a very generous description of Tom Monaghan's version of Catholicism



Though he sold Dominos in 1998, and it is the billion dollars that he received that he has been spending on the Ave Maria empire.

Sounds like much of Ireland until 1990.

[ursus arctos]

Essentially what he is trying to recreate in the swamps (and promote with massive campaign donations).

He's also a major funder of the virulent anti-Pope Francis wing of the American church.

[Nefertiti2]

How can you be a Catholic and against the Pope?

[Lurgee]

How can you be a Catholic and against the Pope?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope

[ursus arctos]

Man, Nef, I thought you had a solid grasp of European history.

It's been a thing since there have been Popes.

[Patrick Thistle]

Oh that's been going on as long as Catholicism. 800 years ago there were Popes and Anti-popes, who set themselves up in Avignon.