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Joan Ryan's massive expenses cheat past is being under-played somewhat, unsurprisingly. I worked on a local paper in Enfield around the turn of the Millennium and no one there really had a good word to say about her. She also enjoyed plenty of canvassing support from Corbynites at the 2017 election (some of whom I know and who found her rude and charmless), so for her to say her vote at the last GE was down to her anti-Corbyn stance is just a massive liar. A risible politician. We're well rid
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Does is change anything that the government plus DUP only totals 324 now? Or would Soubry et al still back the government in a confidence motion?
Edit: Ah I forgot about SF. They still have a practical majority don't they? 3 more tories would have to defect for it to be an issue.
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(if this is the thread ...)
Has there been any useful, non-axe-grinding analysis of their electoral prospects? Presumably those prospects are nil, but I'd like more data than assumptions.
Many comparisons made in media with the failed SDP, but the Alliance hit 50% in the polls, and won 8 or so by-elections in its time. It was electorally plausible, albeit in brief bursts, never maintained. This lot don't appear half as appealing (I was gung ho for Woy and Shirley, but I don't know how many Chuka posters are on college walls).
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- Mar 2008
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- Revelling In The Hole
- England, Chelsea and Tooting and Mitcham. And Surrey CCC. And Wimbledon Dons Speedway (RIP)
- Nairn's Cheese Oatcake
I find it a little odd that Conservatives, albeit ones on the left of the party and strongly in favour of a second EU referendum, should join a group that was set up by Labour people essentially unhappy with their former party's positioning on a second referendum, internal procedures re. anti-Semitism and the party's economic and foreign policies. The referendum issue binds them but little else, unless the EU debate has made them reconsider a wider range of their political positions.
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I think in a PR system these people would get a lot of votes. There are a lot of people who think of themselves as in the centre. Under FPTP, with no infrastructure or volunteers? They're buggered. So much so, that I don't think they can be planning on going into an election as an independent group.
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Risible chancers though most of them are, perhaps we should welcome this realignment. It is at least a more honest reflection of where parliamentarians are, if not – necessarily – the public. Might force electoral reform onto the table too, and make the internal wranglings of the Labour party less stressful
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostRisible chancers though most of them are, perhaps we should welcome this realignment. It is at least a more honest reflection of where parliamentarians are, if not – necessarily – the public. Might force electoral reform onto the table too, and make the internal wranglings of the Labour party less stressfulLast edited by Ray de Galles; 20-02-2019, 12:17.
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostRisible chancers though most of them are, perhaps we should welcome this realignment. It is at least a more honest reflection of where parliamentarians are, if not – necessarily – the public. Might force electoral reform onto the table too, and make the internal wranglings of the Labour party less stressful
I thinks what is taking place is a good thing, the more I hear the word "traitor" shouted by ultras from both parties, the more I think so...
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- Mar 2008
- 19064
- Revelling In The Hole
- England, Chelsea and Tooting and Mitcham. And Surrey CCC. And Wimbledon Dons Speedway (RIP)
- Nairn's Cheese Oatcake
Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View PostI find it a little odd that Conservatives, albeit ones on the left of the party and strongly in favour of a second EU referendum, should join a group that was set up by Labour people essentially unhappy with their former party's positioning on a second referendum, internal procedures re. anti-Semitism and the party's economic and foreign policies. The referendum issue binds them but little else, unless the EU debate has made them reconsider a wider range of their political positions.The three (ex-Conservative) MPs said they will support the government on areas such as the economy, security and improvements to public services, but they felt "honour bound to put our constituents' and country's interests first" over Brexit.
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Allen, who was elected in 2015, recently embarked on an “anti-poverty tour” around Britain with the former Labour MP Frank Field.
She's made multiple attempts to erase this shady history from Wikipedia.
And the way her fucking eyes light up when Shai tells her about the £1m bribe.... tch
Meanwhile Angela Smith employs her husband as an assistant for £40k a year, as her election fell just outside the rules forbidding this type of blatant fiddling.
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Originally posted by jwdd27 View Post
As E10 reminds us, she previously demonstrated just how anti-poverty she is by claiming £170k in expenses in a single year, including flipping her second home, which she needed to be close to parliament rather than commute from her remote Enfield constituency.
She's made multiple attempts to erase this shady history from Wikipedia.
And the way her fucking eyes light up when Shai tells her about the £1m bribe.... tch
Meanwhile Angela Smith employs her husband as an assistant for £40k a year, as her election fell just outside the rules forbidding this type of blatant fiddling.
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Originally posted by Moonlight shadow View Post
Absolutely, a PR system would have seen both Tories and Labour splinter a while ago...
I thinks what is taking place is a good thing, the more I hear the word "traitor" shouted by ultras from both parties, the more I think so...
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostRisible chancers though most of them are, perhaps we should welcome this realignment. It is at least a more honest reflection of where parliamentarians are, if not – necessarily – the public. Might force electoral reform onto the table too, and make the internal wranglings of the Labour party less stressful
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Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
The one good consequence in terms of Brexit is that it presumably takes No Deal off the table, unless May is really prepared to see around 20 Tory Remainers walk out.
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