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    #26
    Bad news from South America

    From watching a few videos on Globo's website earlier in the year as research for a few match previews, Reed, it's something like 'Shap-ee-co-ens', with the stress falling on the last syllable.

    Obviously this is wall-to-wall on the South American sports channel news shows I generally spend the afternoon with. I can't believe it - the only reason I got to sleep last night was those reports I mentioned about no deaths having been confirmed after all and survivors arriving in hospitals.

    Benfica have apparently offered to loan players to Chape, I've seen reports that Real Madrid have offered help including fundraising friendlies, and there are no doubt going to be other gestures from small (River Plate have changed the River badge on their Twitter profile for a black Chapecoense one) to the large.

    Apparently newly-crowned Brazilian champions Palmeiras have asked the CBF whether they can wear Chapecoense shirts in their final league match.

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      #27
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      I am just seeing this thread now after receiving an email from a friend. This is obviously brutal news. I feel for the families of those who died in this crash.

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        #28
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        Clubs in Brazil have petitioned the CBF to protect Chapecoense from relegation for three years, and have announced none of them will charge Chapecoense fees if Chape want to take any players on loan for the 2017 season.

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          #29
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          Fuck, I've just now seen some of the selfies that the players took on the plane before taking off. Those really got me.

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            #30
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            Great solidarity from both Atletico Nacional and, so far, nearly all the big Brazilian clubs with their offer of free loans and three years' immunity from relegation.

            Reed - the correct pronunciation is Shap-ay-co-en-say with the stress on the second last syllable (sorry, Sam).

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              #31
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              PSG have informed FIFA they will donate €40m to the club, according to one site I saw.

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                #32
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                Rob Harris has just tweeted that a PSG spokesman says the club are unaware of any such donation.

                And no worries, cantagalo - I was going with what I thought I heard on the videos, but my ear isn't as well tuned to Portuguese as to Spanish!

                A bunch of Argentine clubs have announced they'll loan players to Chapecoense for the 2017 season if any are wanted, and Racing (who are among those clubs) have confirmed they'll have a homage to Chapecoense in the form of a black Chape badge on their shirts at their next league game.

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                  #33
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                  Sam wrote: Rob Harris has just tweeted that a PSG spokesman says the club are unaware of any such donation.
                  That's not good. (The attempt to embarrass PSG and make some kind of capital out of this tragedy, assuming it's a fake story.)

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                    #34
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                    Indeed. Either PSG feel pressured into actually making such a donation, or they don't and some idiots will say they're being cunts as a result.

                    I have seen claims that Atlético Nacional have asked CONMEBOL to distribute the prize money which would have gone to the winning team (about US$2m) among the families of the victims. It wasn't included in the statement in which they said the trophy should be given to Chapecoense, though.

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                      #35
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                      This is Danilo's last-second save against San Lorenzo which got Chape to the final.

                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nx9aWYypDk

                      The commentary is by Deva Pascovicci who was also on the flight.

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                        #36
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                        According to folk nearby, some of whom are heading to the UK Coaching Awards, the Wembley arch has been lit up green in commemoration.

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                          #37
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                          I really like their shirts.

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                            #38
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                            And Martín Mazur (El Gráfico here in Argentina and FourFourTwo in the UK) has just tweeted that a doctor has confirmed Jackson Follman has had a leg amputation.

                            I thought I was well accustomed to hearing about football-related deaths, having been writing about Argentine football for ten years now. Turns out I was wrong, I'm struggling to process all this.

                            2016 really has been something else. It can't end soon enough.

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                              #39
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                              I can't recall a worse year.

                              This has happened many more times than I knew of.

                              http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/plane-crashes-sports-teams.html?ribbon-ad-idx=9&rref=world/americas&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Head er&action=click&contentCollection=Americas&pgtype= article

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                                #40
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                                The surviving flight attendant told rescuers the plane had run out of fuel, and the cleanup operation reported no evidence of fuel among the wreckage.

                                The distance between the airports of Santa Cruz de la Sierra and Medellín is a little bit greater than the aeroplane's maximum range.

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                                  #41
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                                  It's hard to understand how something like that is allowed to happen.

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                                    #42
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                                    Well, we're talking small operators in South America.

                                    Briefly, the club wanted to fly from São Paulo, but were told by Brazilian authorities that that would only be possible if they chartered a flight from a Brazilian or Colombian airline. They elected to keep LAMIA, who they'd flown with before, and that necessitated going via Santa Cruz de la Sierra in Bolivia.

                                    Then, the owner (or one of the owners) of LAMIA... was apparently the same guy who was flying the plane. So he wasn't going to get any shit from the bosses because he was the boss. Apparently LAMIA had twelve employees when the flight took off.

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                                      #43
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                                      The CBF have announced seven days of mourning, meaning that the return leg of the Copa do Brasil final, the final of the Under-20 Copa do Brasil, and the last round of Série A matches will all be put back a week.

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                                        #44
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                                        It is possible that the pilot jettisoned any remaining fuel once he realised they were going down. Doing so reduces the chance of a fire on impact, and has been demonstrated to save lives in other disasters.

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                                          #45
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                                          Thanks ursus. Still, is taking a flight beyond the plane's maximum operating range (even if only by a handful of nautical miles) a justifiable decision?

                                          Fox Sports in Argentina are reporting that Barcelona and Real Madrid have agreed to donate the entire gate from this weekend's clásico to Chapecoense.

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                                            #46
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                                            I wasn't trying to defend the out of range decision, which was reckless, especially given the terrain around Medellin. That said, many range estimates purposely include a margin of safety (rather like the indicator for your car's petrol tank). It will take months before we know exactly what happened.

                                            Although there have been multiple expressions of sympathy and solidarity from the club and its players in response to the tragedy, there is no official announcement from Barcelona (in Catalan or Spanish) as to that donation (given that the match is in BCN, FCB would have to take the lead).

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                                              #47
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                                              No indeed, and I did check their Twitter account. For Fox to go with it suggests to me that they've got a source, but so much stuff is getting bandied about right now. I didn't believe the Wembley thing until I saw a photo tweeted by a guy who said he was there, heading to the awards. (Bizarrely, the official Wembley account and the FA haven't tweeted anything about it, even though practically every other football-connected person on the planet appears to have done.)

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                                                #48
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                                                The Colombian director of Civil Aviation said that the pilot had reported an electrical fault to the control tower at the airport.

                                                The black boxes have been found so presumably we will know what happened in due course.

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                                                  #49
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                                                  Barcelona's Catalán account just tweeted the minutes of the board meeting they had today, in which they extend their sympathies to Chapecoense but make no mention of this agreement (or, from what I can see, of the clásico, so it's probably safe to say that's also bollocks now. What is it with people making this stuff up? Do they want everyone to think their club is better than yours, or do they hope to pressure the club into actually doing it? It's very odd.

                                                  (In a completely unrelated note, I also find it odd that the 'default' account (i.e. the one without a language abbreviation on the end of it) for Barcelona on Twitter is in English, rather than Spanish or Catalán. Given the Spanish and Catalán versions have a lot more of the institutional stuff on them, it's a bit annoying when you do a search for the handle and just click on the first one that shows up.)

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                                                    #50
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                                                    Nike, the Qataris, Rakuten, Beko, Turkish Airlines, etc., don't read either Spanish or Catalan, I'm afraid.

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