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Yes doubtful. I'm still hoping that war.. things, Chilcot still looming and that, might nudge a few consciences.
Yes doubtful. I'm still hoping that war.. things, Chilcot still looming and that, might nudge a few consciences.
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As far as allies of Corbyn's in strange places goes, David Davies was on Radio 4 this morning and, as an ex-SAS man, spoke a lot of sense about the bombing and why he is against it. Of course, his perspective is from the "there should be boots on the ground" perspective along with a lot of ex-Army types and Livingstone. However, he backed Corbyn up for his conviction.Comment
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Ex-squaddie Clive Lewis was on Newsnight last night but he needs to be dragged out a lot more on this issue.Comment
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Has anyone got the answer to what the whipping situation was for the Tories and Labour in 2013 and 2003? I can't seem to find it.Comment
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Corbyn getting briefed by the appalling Patrick Cockburn tonight, appaz.
[Edit] - It's worse than that:
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Lib Dems in favour.
Don't think all will be though. Mark Williams will probably abstain like last time.Comment
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I thought Farron was against. Not that he's known for his consistency. LIB DEMS AT WAR AS FARRON LOSES CONTROL OF HIS PARLIAMENTARY PARTYComment
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TT, why do you think Cockburn is so appalling? I've no opinion one way or the other - I've read and appreciated some his writing over the years, but never thought too much about it - so am curious as to what raises your ire.Comment
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Classy Cameron tells his MPs not to vote with "terrorist sympathisers". Promptly leaked to the media by " senior MP" whose initials might be David Davis.Comment
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johnr: His support for Assad, his calls for the US/UK to ally with Assad against the Syrian rebels, whom he smears as 'al-Qaeda'.
Why isn't Corbyn listening to and promoting Syrian opposition voices?Comment
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David Davis.Bored of Education wrote: As far as allies of Corbyn's in strange places goes, David Davies was on Radio 4 this morning and, as an ex-SAS man, spoke a lot of sense about the bombing and why he is against it. Of course, his perspective is from the "there should be boots on the ground" perspective along with a lot of ex-Army types and Livingstone. However, he backed Corbyn up for his conviction.
David Davies MP is a Welsh Philip Davies. Though voted against in 2013, to be fair to him.
All clear, yeah?Comment
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Normal whip on each side in 2013.Bored of Education wrote: Has anyone got the answer to what the whipping situation was for the Tories and Labour in 2013 and 2003? I can't seem to find it.Comment
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Probably the two Tories are John Baron and Adam Holloway. Bo h against in 2013. Both ex-army I think.Luke R wrote: Two Tories in that four by the looks of it. What price a Cameron loss?Comment
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Ta; I'd read his stuff as a bit more complex than that - I thought that he was in fact more pro-rebel/anti-Assad a few years ago, but then started documenting what he felt were Islamist victories/infiltration into rebel areas - so will read him now with your take in mind.TonTon wrote: johnr: His support for Assad, his calls for the US/UK to ally with Assad against the Syrian rebels, whom he smears as 'al-Qaeda'.
Why isn't Corbyn listening to and promoting Syrian opposition voices?Comment
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I don't think it's a wise thing to do either. Getting any journalist in like this feels a bit unnecessaryComment
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He's not bringing him in as a journalist, he's bringing him in as an "expert in ISIL". Horrible, truly horrible.Comment
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I'm guessing it won't be particularly well attended, or change many views anyway. A nice dolly for the "Corbyn humiliated" people.
I find it odd that he isn't doing what he uniquely can do, attract a crowd and speak to them. If he could do something cross party, all the better.Comment
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I'm not particularly bothered about that right now, tbh. It's Corbyn's promotion of this narrative that's the problem.Comment
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What's your approach to going on anti-war demos this time TT? I mean, obv I'm against this new war plan but have little enthusiasm for marching alongside StWC these days.Comment
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Heavyweight Nick Clegg says he's voting for because something must be done. "Action" preferable to "inaction".Comment
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It will be extremely shameful if it's Labour MPs (plus Clegg) who get Cameron over the line. OTOH it was a Labour govt that took us into Iraq.
Would a defeat jeopardize Cameron's leadership, bringing forward his retirement (He's going before the next election anyway)?Comment
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I'm in two minds. I'm against the bombing, of course - it's a hideous idea. But I'm not joining with Assadists - see my FB for an actual photo of an actual genuine clear open supporter of Assad of tonight's demo. Assad is the primary issue.E10 Rifle wrote: What's your approach to going on anti-war demos this time TT? I mean, obv I'm against this new war plan but have little enthusiasm for marching alongside StWC these days.Comment
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http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/foreign-affairs/Formal-Minutes-2015-16.pdfTubby Isaacs wrote:Probably the two Tories are John Baron and Adam Holloway. Bo h against in 2013. Both ex-army I think.Originally posted by Luke R
Baron yes, Holloway no. Andrew Rosindell is the other Tory, page 13 on that link there.Comment
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Not 3 line, you mean?Tubby Isaacs wrote:Normal whip on each side in 2013.Originally posted by Bored of EducationComment
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The Labour votes don't count any more than Tory ones. I think your narrative lets Cameron off too much.Satchmo Distel wrote: It will be extremely shameful if it's Labour MPs (plus Clegg) who get Cameron over the line.
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