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  • E10 Rifle
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    Meanwhile, in a key Labour target seat, the Lib Dem candidate announces himself in style with this missive to his Labour counterpart:
    "Dear Muslim, please speak for all Muslims and condemn these Muslims."

    Top dog-whistling

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  • E10 Rifle
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    There's some proper idiots (including some on "our" side) talking up a McDonnell-Corbyn rift and rounding on McDonnell just because he did an interview with Alastair Campbell, possibly as fall-out from the combative and bruising Karie Murphy being demoted out of the leader's office.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Originally posted by Reginald Christ View Post

    Haha, you say that like it’s a bad thing. Given that 95% of prominent British journalists are de facto Conservative Party activists, either by arguing for the status quo or by failing to hold the Conservatives to account, it’s about time that a socialist and advocate for Labour gained some prominence. Nice to see someone on “our” side doing well.
    I think it would be more accurate to say that 95% of prominent english journalists are under effective instruction to drive the conservative party even further to the ultra-nationalist far right, and will turn on any tory dissenters, and basically try and get them killed. (Dominic Grieve says Hi!) I really wouldn't like to equate the two as I don't really detect any malice at all in Owen Jones. It's just that article is super purple, and he could do better. (I don't want anyone to take from the above comment That that attack on him was anything other than a horrendous cowardly and horrendous assault carried out by the human equivalent of that plastic bag full of liquifying potatoes that I found in my cupboard today. It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen, and I had an illeostomy bag)

    Etienne, now there's a blast from the past. there's a reason why I don't think about Andrew Rawnsley very often, There's a bit more to Owen Jones than Posh hair, and a deep posh voice and a rigid adherence to some aspect of the establishment. I expect a bit better.

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  • Nefertiti2
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    pS another reason to say oh Jermey Corbyn

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1182654885097103361?s=20

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  • Nefertiti2
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    Posted this on the Brexit thread. Thinks it belongs here too

    https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/status/1182749814766886917?s=20

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  • Etienne
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    It's the sort of thing Andrew Rawnsley churned out on a weekly basis under Blair/Brown without being called an activist.

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  • Reginald Christ
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    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
    I wonder where people got the idea that they could get away with calling Owen Jones a Labour activist rather than a journalist recently.
    Haha, you say that like it’s a bad thing. Given that 95% of prominent British journalists are de facto Conservative Party activists, either by arguing for the status quo or by failing to hold the Conservatives to account, it’s about time that a socialist and advocate for Labour gained some prominence. Nice to see someone on “our” side doing well.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    I wonder where people got the idea that they could get away with calling Owen Jones a Labour activist rather than a journalist recently.

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  • E10 Rifle
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    He'd have some stories to tell about his 2007 leadership bid

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  • ursus arctos
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    Which would put in at least the 95th percentile of political memoirs

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  • NHH
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    I fear it would be really interesting up to 1985, then 30 years of listing books he read and meetings he attended, before a cracking last 2 chapters.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Ta for that.

    Interesting piece.

    I've always been intrigued by McDonnell. He could write a hell of a memoir.

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  • E10 Rifle
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    This is a decent, well-informed precis of some of Labour's internal and external machinations

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  • TonTon
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    Glad to hear liberation politics are taken seriously among the Greens.

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Liberation for yamyams, that's what I preach

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  • ursus arctos
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    I was thinking Black County separatists

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Berba- Liberation Groups is the self-styling for various minority lobbies- BAME, LGBT, Disability etc. I thought the term was widely known, apols if not

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  • Lucy Waterman
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    But - nah, I can't be bothered to tell him.

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  • George C.
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    Originally posted by NHH View Post
    Yes, because no-one ever changes their mind.
    Why join the Fake LD's when you can support the real thing though...

    Have many many issues with them, but at least they have an electoral/parliamentary presence.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
    There's also a significant amount of Liberation Group identity politics
    What does this bit mean.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    You have to allow tories to change their mind and move away from the dark. .

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  • NHH
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    Yes, because no-one ever changes their mind.

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  • George C.
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    "ex-Tories" .

    Hmm. You're really selling this well.

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Berba: yes, the Greens over here have pragmatic, crusty and woo wings as you suggest, as well as ex-Labour and a few ex-Tories. There's also a significant amount of Liberation Group identity politics. Because only a minority of members are activists, the relative profile of these groups fluctuates.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Surely the UK greens are the usual mixture of hard headed, extremely practical pragmatists terrified of what is coming, slightly detached well meaning half crusties, and damaged Woo merchants who want to say beautiful things, but are unhinged and are a fucking menace. (The Irish green party had an ongoing low level, though fairly hard fought civil war between the first and last factions, with the anti-vaxxers Eventually being marginalized) except the UK greens are going to be getting people from a different source. They can also be getting members from the Romantic conservative line of thinking about a pre-industrial revolution Green and pleasant land. This has always been a very strong strain of ideology in the UK, with maids cycling to church of a glistening morning, through the set of Father Brown or some such. (We don't really have this in the republic because our industrial revolution mostly happened in the 1990's)

    In terms of Economic theory the Greens appear to be broadly left wing, but that's because they've thought a lot of stuff through, and if you think stuff through, it's amazing where you wind up. That doesn't mean that every member or voter is left wing, because like all parties, it's like herding cats.
    Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 09-10-2019, 00:34.

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