ursus arctos wrote: That just weaken's the UK position though.
The thing about Article 50 is that the UK's leverage rests in its control of its invocation. Once the button is pushed, the Rest are within their rights to take the ball to the corner flag for two years.
Yeah.
Our Labour leader wanted 50 invoked straightaway, which I think would be a bad mistake. But apparently if everybody "backs" him, things will turn out fine, and I'm probably a Blairite anyway.
How about "don't invoke it now" followed by "welcome the u-turn"?
That's not making it easier for the PM. Would be nice to have somebody who could say "always opposed this referendum, because I knew it would be shit".
hold on, how does liam fox still have a seat, never mind remain sufficiently credible to be a candidate in this election? (while not perhaps being a credible candidate)
Someone phrased this quite nicely on the Latics forum:
So, let me get this straight... the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they'd all done nothing to help them.
Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn't lose, did - but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who'd always thought he'd lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash - and he was, but it did, but he's not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can't become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead.
Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party's view of this view is the opposite of the opposition's. And the opposition aren't yet opposing anything because the leader isn't listening to his party, who aren't listening to the country, who aren't listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there's not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if anyone ever does do it, it will be awful.
Clear?
Edit - turns out to be a repost of something off Facebook
Tubbs, I was previously unaware of Malmgren, but she appears to be someone looking to monetise her record as an executive at a number of failed banks and Bush I economic advisor by "pivoting" to something, something, incubator, social media.
Despite being my some distance the best compensated region in the EU, even London has lost purchasing power since 2005. With very few exceptions, the rest of the UK is worse to much worse.
Snake Plissken wrote: Corbyn was calling everyone's bluff. He knew Cameron didn't want to do it and the Leave campaign didn't either.
Enter the PLP. Sigh.
Nah, Corbyn has listened to somebody telling him about "Progrexit" and wants to get back to talking about the same stuff he's talked about for donkeys years.
ursus arctos wrote: Very interesting chart from the FT
Despite being my some distance the best compensated region in the EU, even London has lost purchasing power since 2005. With very few exceptions, the rest of the UK is worse to much worse.
Looking at that, Rutland came surprisingly close to voting Remain. 49.6%
Shame he and his colleagues couldn't have done a bit more of that during the actual campaign, when it might have had some effect.
Guy? He's not a national politician?
ap was saying Evan Davis had been lashing into Leave propaganda with abandon, wasn't he? I thought he meant 'The guy', rather than 'Guy [Potger]'. Davis is a BBC journalist.
Boris Johnson is like a guy who invited folk over for an orgy then when more folk turned up than he planned for, slipped out the bed when things started to get tangled and messy.
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