So, how did you vote?

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Forget mushy peas with your haddock - at "Frydays" in Burnley, Liz Pugh serves up a large portion of political opinion with lunch.

"I think it's opened a sleeping giant if I'm honest, I think it's awakened up a lot of people," Ms Pugh said.

And what if Brexit doesn't happen?

She told me: "Oh, there'll be mass riots. There'll be hysteria. There could even be a civil war. The country has used its voice and if the Government ignores what the people have said then there is going to be a civil war. There is going to be." http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-will-there-be-civil-war-if-brexit-isnt-delivered-10716408

"I like that Rachel Reeves, mind, if there were more like her, me and everybody I know would vote Labour", she didn't go on to say.

[E10 Rifle]

So, how did you vote?

Can I slag off that New Yorker cartoon please?

Aside from not being funny, it's hopelessly off the point. If, as I presume, they're referring to Trump, then the gag rests on the absurdity of a "normal inexperienced person" getting to do a highly specialised job. But Trump isn't a "normal" person, just as Farage isn't. These are spoilt-bastard wealth inheriting members of the elite and the establishment. If we're actually swallowing their 'men of the people' act and responding to it with patrician bullshit about 'not trusting the proles' then we're gonna be even more fucked than we already are.

And Trump's "inexperience and incompetence" isn't what's most dangerous about him. In some ways it is, instead, our best hope.

I mean I know it's only a cartoon, but still…

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

That bloke in the cartoon looks like Alan Stanford.

[E10 Rifle]

So, how did you vote?

Another bloke who symbolises Where It All Went Wrong

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

E10 Rifle wrote: Can I slag off that New Yorker cartoon please?

Aside from not being funny, it's hopelessly off the point. If, as I presume, they're referring to Trump, then the gag rests on the absurdity of a "normal inexperienced person" getting to do a highly specialised job. But Trump isn't a "normal" person, just as Farage isn't. These are spoilt-bastard wealth inheriting members of the elite and the establishment. If we're actually swallowing their 'men of the people' act and responding to it with patrician bullshit about 'not trusting the proles' then we're gonna be even more fucked than we already are.

And Trump's "inexperience and incompetence" isn't what's most dangerous about him. In some ways it is, instead, our best hope.

I mean I know it's only a cartoon, but still…

Poujadism is Poujadism. It doesn't matter whether the guy in charge is a shopkeeper (like the real Poujade) or a billionaire. It doesn't matter that he appoints other shopkeepers or other billionaires. It's the same shit.

[GCostanza]

So, how did you vote?

Luke R wrote: Are there experts on telling people how to vote?.

Yes.

But mainly they were pointing out that racist dimwits had no viable alternative.

[E10 Rifle]

So, how did you vote?

Poujadism is Poujadism

I'm not really sure that's what we're dealing with here.

[Guy Profumo]

So, how did you vote?

GCostanza wrote:

Are there experts on telling people how to vote?.

Yes.

But mainly they were pointing out that racist dimwits had no viable alternative.

Where's that "ignore bigot" function when you need it?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

So, how did you vote?

I thought that cartoon was about the practical application of trumpism rather than trump himself.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

E10 Rifle wrote:

Poujadism is Poujadism

I'm not really sure that's what we're dealing with here.

Fair point. Trump has a double-edged "I'm not in the elite" and "I'm an elite businessman known for making clever deals". The apparently high achieving business career won him the election.

Farage is basically a nobody though. He can sort it out, he used to be a commodities broker, thought nobody ever. More people reckon ex-Times journos should run the country.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

E10 Rifle wrote: Another bloke who symbolises Where It All Went Wrong

Have you ever wondered what $20m dollars looks like?

[E10 Rifle]

So, how did you vote?

Giles Clarke had had enough of cricket experts

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Ha ha.

[Duncan Gardner]

So, how did you vote?

That woman from Turf Moor wetting herself about a Civil War should visit Turf Lodge. Just to see what a real one looks like.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Quote:
Mr [Jonathan] Powell, who was being interviewed alongside the former Tory leader, burst out laughing during the live Today programme feature.

Brexit backers reacted with fury today amid growing criticism of Sir Ivan for the manner of his early resignation.

Asked if he knew what the government's Brexit objective was, Mr Duncan Smith replied: 'Yes, it's very simple, we are leaving the European Union.'

Mr Powell interrupted the Vote Leave campaigner, who then continued: 'It’s absolutely clear. We are leaving the rule of European law.

'We are taking back control of our borders. And we will then look to make arrangements with European Union over what kind of trading system.'

Tory MP Andrew Bridgen told MailOnline: 'I think he is tainted with Tony Blair's brush.

'He is laughing at the will of the British people - that is to leave the European Union.'

Sounds more like he was laughing at IDS, as I would. If we're definitely leaving the Single Market, the pound might be due another beating up.

If they want a hard Brexiter untainted by Blair, they can have John McDonnell.

[Lang Spoon]

So, how did you vote?

We have no cards except a fucking trade deficit that's suddenly a good thing according to the Raab types. How strong do eejits from Starmer to Johnson think the E&W racist core Brexit vote is? Till three weeks before the vote Gove etc were arguing for a Norway style single market route. Are they so certain people will want economic death and still brown non EU people (surely the deeper lizard brain target of much of the loud and proud wankers from Burnley to Tunbridge Wells?) will be coming in?

Fucked so fucked. There might be short term gain in May leading the Brexit Party, but it's totally mental Rumsfeld denial of reality, as Rogers confirms. That goodbye email must be the civil service equivalent of taking a shit on his boss's desk.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Starmer didn't say all that much, just trying to sound different from Jez and "listening". Coming with a job offer is a familiar (unenforceable) talking point, but could be part of some deal.

The problem are Labour Kippers and people who say "neo-liberal" for anything they don't understand.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Guy Verhofstadt, head of the ALDE liberal group in the European parliament and the parliament’s lead Brexit negotiator, has posted this tribute to Sir Ivan Rogers on Twitter. That “knew what he was talking about” seems to be dig at certain members of the UK government.

Nice one.

Tim Farron should know what he's talking about, with Verhofstadt tipping him the wink.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

So, how did you vote?

We have no cards except a fucking trade deficit that's suddenly a good thing according to the Raab types.

even that's a bit of a busted flush. The European companies that export to England are all already fucked by the 20% collapse in the price of sterling. That's a huge sudden change in terms of trade. They're taking terrible damage, and they are desperately trying to find new markets. Those businesses will either be long dead, or selling to new markets by the time the UK leaves the EU. There's only so long you can sell things to english people for below cost. Particularly when you bear in mind that there's more trouble coming down the line.

[Snake Plissken]

So, how did you vote?

Sigh. They'll always be someone in Burnley to go-to for the Speke Your Branes fuckwit soundbite.

[Lang Spoon]

So, how did you vote?

Aye. Youse seem the go to town whenever they need some utterly fucked looking semi urban northern squalor on telly (Sunderland, see also).

I get why folk are lashing out. I'm sure if anyone named Kunesberg gave a fuck my heavy fucked hometown would give similar speak your brains unreconstructed bollocks on a range of issues (if they could find someone who wasn't typically Fife ignorant/"nordically taciturn" and didn't shuffle past them head down or shouting abuse like a total wee bampot).

But even in Darkest Fife the Remain vote was above 58%. Maybe it's because Scotland already has a respectable and mostly left leaning valve for those fucked and disconnected from Westminster. Or maybe cos it's slightly less socially acceptable to be a total cunt.
Even the Scottish Sun and Daily Mail front pages generally avoid reprinting the very worst racisty or downright nasty word soup they serve up for British editions (I assume the national print media just ignores the possibility of Welsh editions).

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

So, how did you vote?

It think it's a bit like Ireland in that arguments based on english exceptionalism don't sell so well in scotland, so they have to have a largely different scottish edition. (The Irish daily mail headline the ay after the referendum was "What have we done." and was talking about all the people who wanted to vote leave as a protest, but didn't want it to happen.)

Another thing that Scottish people have in common with ireland is that they know they're from a small country that is relatively unimportant in the global scheme of things. I don't know if everyone in England is aware of this. Certainly the Media seems to think that the EU is going to quail in the face of the might of the new Brexiteer negotiator.

And if you are minded to view people who move from scotland to England looking for work as migrants, combined with all the people who aren't that long arrived from ireland, then you have a lot of families across scotland that are well used to migration for about as long as ireland. That and Scotland's population declined between 1971 and 2001, before rebounding in the decade up to 2011. Scotland is staring right down the barrel of demographic death. Particularly given that more people died than were born last year. (a return to the pattern of 1993-2005 )

[Lang Spoon]

So, how did you vote?

Aye, behind the baby boxes and the immediate reach out by Sturgeon to the EU citizens currently living in Scotland is the sure and certain disaster of demographics without immigration and an increased birth rate (which seems linked to an extent to feeling secure economically and otherwise, so...).

If there's any kind of work permit immigration autonomy given to the good old City, they have to give it to Scotland also (but won't, and SLab will agree with May. Because pooling and sharing).

Though I suppose folk scared of independence will still be too feart to jump until we have already reached irreversible Italian levels of demographic death, and without any of the tricks, sunshine and millennia of weary knowledge of the true way things work) that makes their gerontocracy bearable (and a hot mess).

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

So, how did you vote?

The Scottish migration numbers are quite interesting. There's now more people living in scotland than at any point in their history, and much of the recent net surge is down to migrants.

As I kind of suspected, most of the migration to and from scotland involves people moving around inside the UK If you Add UK migration, you start to get numbers that look quite a lot like Ireland actually. Certainly in the same kind of Area. In 2015 85,000 people moved to scotland, and 57,000 left. Then throw in an excess mortality figure of about 2,000, and a few other odds and bobs, and the population of scotland rose by 25,400 to 5,373,000 by july 2015

47,000 of the migrants to scotland come from the Uk, making it about five in nine, and about 38,000 of the migrants from scotland go to the rest of the UK. It's about 36,000 non uk arrivals, versus 18,000 people migrating overseas.

Roughly speaking every year a flow of migrants equivalent to 1.6% of the population arrives in scotland, and a slow of migrants of aboout 1.1% of the population goes the other way. The population is at an all time peak, but this chart looks fucking grim.



That graph is five years old so the situation is already starting to get worse very quickly. Looking at that graph, The proportion of the population over 65 is going to absolutely skyrocket over the next 20 years. scotland has 20 years to press gang as many poles and eastern Europeans as they can lay their hands on or then things start to get really really ropey. The Forcible return of all the scots of working age living south of the border would helpful too. Scotland needs the UK to call off this brexit shite, and then take the hint and leave, thereby resolving the whole problem of the border of scotland being an external border of the EU.

there are some projections about the scottish population in 2039 and the population pyramids are fucking eye-watering

[Lang Spoon]

So, how did you vote?

So it's robot carers or bust when/if I hit the Scottish version of old age. There'll probably be pension and medicine withholding sanctions for unproductive elderly instead by then. Best to give it a miss so.

Mibees I'll just have to hole up in Leitrim, Roscommon or similar (unless it's North Tipp) where the house prices will never rise much and claim to be an artist when I become too old and decrepit and poor to rent in civilisation.