Top ten twats in rock and pop.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Indeed, anyone who says "x isn't a race" in response to a charge of racism is a racist.

[Hot Pepsi]

Not necessarily racist, but certainly buying into a nasty right-wing agenda. He is a self-centred fool, though: Me and myself and I can't do me and myself and I's things because of these uncivilised forinners.

It’s based on a racist trope.

I’ve seen a few “it’s not racist ‘cos the Chinese aren’t a race” defenses. But that doesn’t help. Racism has never relied on a cohesive or consistent definition of race. “Ethnic stereotypes” aren’t much of an improvement anyway.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/27...for-the-virus/

[3 Colours Red]

I doubt that they really would have re-shaped the musical landscape of the early 21st century but I do have to feel at least a little bit sorry for them. These young lads must have thought they'd got their big break but Waterman saddled them with a shit song (a rare Bee Gees misfire at that), a shit video and a shit name for the group - basically treating them as commodities (not that that's anything new for manufactured pop but this was still an extreme example due to the entire nature of their creation) - and it was all down to his own pigheadedness.

[Come along, Min]

One True Voice, absolutely tragic, squandered talent.

If only PW had checked his thoughts and processes. It actually makes me angry.

[Jah Womble]

One True Voice. 'If memory serves.'

Every last person involved in the creation and perpetuity of Pop Idol/Stars and all offshoots thereof should be honorary members of this thread, however.

[3 Colours Red]

Oh and on topic, does Pete Waterman c(o)unt?

I'd say he does - many a career ruined by him not changing any of his thoughts or processes in pop music production since about 1986.

Who were those poor saps who went up against Girls Aloud under his charge on that Popstars show? Completely stitched up by him being oblivious to trends. More cheese there than the USDA surplus.

[MarkF]

I always quite enjoyed "Goodnight Tonight".

(sits back and watches the thread die on its feet...)

[edit] Oh and on topic, does Pete Waterman c(o)unt?

[Jah Womble]

Temporary Secretary showed a bit of wit and spontaneity in Macca - at a time when I thought he was no longer capable of either.

(As for Silly Love Songs, it was no Listen to What the Man Said.)

[G-Man]

I bought it on 12" at the time, unheard, because I was such a Macca/Wings fan. I came back to it again and again in case I'd been missing something on previous listens. Simon Price said on here once that it was "early electro-clash", which makes Macca sound down with the kids, but doesn't alter the fact that it's unlistenable. Well, maybe it's time to give it another spin, it probably hasn't been out of its sleeve for 35 years (except that I think it's still in that part of my record collection that's been in my ex-flatmate's wardrobe in Kilburn since 1995).

When I made a notional Beatles album released in 1980 for the blog, I put on "Temporary Secretary". It's the kind of thing that definitely would have gone on a Beatles album. At the last moment I ditched, on account of the fact that people's ears might be exposed to it. I tried. I really tried. But I see no charm in that track.

[imp]

How about Wild Life?

Love it! And McCartney too. I was a fan of everything through to Back to the Egg (what?), pretty much. Can't understand the love for McCartney 2, though - it was mainly dross, and after that I stopped listening.

I even love Mull of fucking Kintyre.

[imp]

Erm, Temporary Secretary is peak Macca. Although actually Secret Friend on the B-side is even better.

I bought it on 12" at the time, unheard, because I was such a Macca/Wings fan. I came back to it again and again in case I'd been missing something on previous listens. Simon Price said on here once that it was "early electro-clash", which makes Macca sound down with the kids, but doesn't alter the fact that it's unlistenable. Well, maybe it's time to give it another spin, it probably hasn't been out of its sleeve for 35 years (except that I think it's still in that part of my record collection that's been in my ex-flatmate's wardrobe in Kilburn since 1995).

MsD I'm with you on 'Silly Love Songs' - wasn't that into it at the time, but recently it's struck me as one of the great pop songs of the 70s. There are about five different melodies in there he could probably have got another three songs out of.

[Lang Spoon]

Hell yeh, Fussbudget.

[Fussbudget]

2. There are more than zero people alive who like Temporary Secretary. (And I am speaking as such a huge Macca fan that I even love Red Rose Speedway, and have Ram in my Top 10 Favourite Albums Ever list.)

Erm, Temporary Secretary is peak Macca. Although actually Secret Friend on the B-side is even better.

[Sporting]

.And I am speaking as such a huge Macca fan that I even love Red Rose Speedway, and have Ram in my Top 10 Favourite Albums .

How about Wild Life?

[Various Artist]

Pun to you.

[Jah Womble]

There are no words!

[Various Artist]

Slimmer of '69?

Oh, Jah... do I have to say the words?

[imp]

Just read through this thread and have been shocked to discover:
1. There are people on here who post on other message boards. Who said that was allowed?
2. There are more than zero people alive who like Temporary Secretary. (And I am speaking as such a huge Macca fan that I even love Red Rose Speedway, and have Ram in my Top 10 Favourite Albums Ever list.)
3. No one's mentioned the twat's twat, Lou Reed. I once read an interview in MOJO with him by Sylvie Simmons, an excellent writer, and he spent the entire interview being an awkward, arrogant grade one twat to her, basically slagging off every music journalist in history for not having kissed his holy arse for everything he's ever done. Twat.

[Jah Womble]

Slimmer of '69?

[WOM]

Well, I for one am shocked...shocked about this rock and roll song that isn't about eating a balanced diet and getting plenty of rest.

[Snake Plissken]

It's funny, but as he and others have pointed out, he wasn't necessarily being racist.

Just Reckless.

[Jah Womble]

Trust me, it was used with more than a touch of irony.

[Patrick Thistle]

Sure. There's lots of songs like that. I just didn't think you needed the qualifiying 'little' in there

[Jah Womble]

^Yep, that pretty much nails it.

A little dubious? It's a song glorifying cheating

Well, I'm no apologist for him but Adams is documenting such an occurrence taking place - which I'm afraid it 'does'. Doesn't make it right - or even particularly palatable - but the arts really aren't here to nursemaid us.

I mean, we all think Prince was great but he gets up to all sorts in his lyrics. He just happened to be a million times better at his craft than Bryan Adams.

[G-Man]

It's funny, but as he and others have pointed out, he wasn't necessarily being racist.

Not necessarily racist, but certainly buying into a nasty right-wing agenda. He is a self-centred fool, though: Me and myself and I can't do me and myself and I's things because of these uncivilised forinners.