It's A VAR Gas: Switzerland v Spain

[RobW]

Never a red in my day. The game's gone etc.

[Patrick Thistle]

Who is the co-commentator who reckons that's not a red? Why not just say "I was a dirty bastard when I played"?

[RobW]

Who is the co-commentator who reckons that's not a red? Why not just say "I was a dirty bastard when I played"?

Lee Dixon on ITV.

[Jah Womble]

Lee Dixon doesn’t think it’s deserved.

Wouldn’t have been a red in his day, but then again we aren’t in his day.

(Edit: Okay - a few of us of that opinion, then…)

[Incandenza]

Mark Clattenburg says it wasn't a red, same for Efan Ekoku.

Similar looking to the tackle in the recent game that was upgraded to a red after VAR, I think Freuler got more of the ball and didn't make as much contact as that prior incident.

[scratchmonkey]

Efan Ekoku on ESPN commentary doesn't think it was a red and neither did Mark Clattenburg.

ETA: Although Clattenburg did also say "especially at 1-1", which surely shouldn't come into consideration?

[Patrick Thistle]

Peter Walton says it was so the ex-refs disagree.

Thanks RobW RobW for identifying Dixon.

[Incandenza]

It's interesting to see a ref make a decisive call right away and not think "well, I can give a yellow now, and if it should have been a red then I can do that after checking VAR"

[San Bernardhinault]

Clattenburg seems to be saying that the Ref should have bottled his decision because of VAR - basically VAR can't overturn it because it's not obviously wrong, so he should give a yellow and let VAR overturn for a red if it turns out the tackle was really bad.

It looked like a red card tackle to me, but I'm not a ref.

[Satchmo Distel]

Spain's build-up is very laboured; those two five-goal hauls were a false dawn.

[Patrick Thistle]

Zubar has had a really good game. Looked shattered as he left the pitch though.

[Duncan Gardner]

ETA: Although Clattenburg did also say "especially at 1-1", which surely shouldn't come into consideration?

if he genuinely thinks that he shouldn't be a referee
As he said it, you can reasonably ignore whatever else he says in commentary

[Patrick Thistle]

Can't see Switzerland lasting through extra time tbh.

[Sporting]

Efan Ekoku on ESPN commentary doesn't think it was a red and neither did Mark Clattenburg.

ETA: Although Clattenburg did also say "especially at 1-1", which surely shouldn't come into consideration?

Another example might be "especially at this early stage".

[scratchmonkey]

Zubar has had a really good game. Looked shattered as he left the pitch though.

I feel like Petkovic has been the best manager at the tournament for effective and timely substitutions. Very proactive without being overly-fiddly.

[Sean of the Shed]

Clattenburg seems to be saying that the Ref should have bottled his decision because of VAR - basically VAR can't overturn it because it's not obviously wrong, so he should give a yellow and let VAR overturn for a red if it turns out the tackle was really bad.

It looked like a red card tackle to me, but I'm not a ref.

What a fucking dipshit. Thank fuck that spineless responsibility shirking prick doesn't ref games anymore.

[San Bernardhinault]

Swiss looking very leggy now. If they survive it'll only because Spain are so ponderous.

[Discordant Resonance]

Lee Dixon on ITV.

See also Kenny Cunningham on RTE, but hard to see any excuse for a chopdown.

[Discordant Resonance]

Swiss looking very leggy now. If they survive it'll only because Spain are so ponderous.

Or profligate now, either way the Swiss very much clinging on at present.

[ad hoc]

Moreno makes Morata look like a striker

[Nefertiti2]

The Swiss Flag Goalkeeper is a big plus

[Discordant Resonance]

Spain with more attempts in this period than the previous 90, I'd reckon.

[scratchmonkey]

30 in 46 for Moreno this year for Villareal, loads of Spanish wanted him over Morata this tournament.

[Sporting]

Spain with more attempts in this period than the previous 90, I'd reckon.

Very much so

[Sean of the Shed]

And none of them very good.