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Originally posted by NHH View PostI recall a guy who was involved in the Fans Trust takeover of Brentford who said the way to handle this was to make relegation and promotion something that happens every year - so every year, the top half of a division go up, and the bottom half go down, replaced by the bottom half of the division above and the top half of the division below. By making relegation and promotion 'normal' you'd reduce the fear factor and thus the financial doping. I remember thinking it was mad, but on reflection, the idea has some merit I think.
The thing to remember with relegation was that the expansion of the football league in 1921 was to try and counter Rugby League; the Southern League had been integrated the year before as Division Three, then the upper echelons of the regional Northern and Midland leagues were creamed off to make Division Three North. As a result, the upper eschelons of the Northern and Midland non-leagues were weaker than the equivalent southern leagues. I wonder if that's why some of the teams who came up in the post 87 relegation/promotion without being backed by silly money have been disproportionately southern teams (Wycombe, Yeovil until now, Cheltenham, Barnet) as they were clubs that were missed out back in 1921.
As a result, two clubs enter the Conference from the Midlands and South, and one from the North, and the North/South line in the Conference Regional is round about Oxfordshire,
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Originally posted by Jimski View Post
As a supporter of a club that finished 12th (out of 24) this season, I think this idea is brilliant. No seriously, it definitely does have some merit. I remember a WSC article suggesting something similar years and years ago, and thinking it a bit mad then, but I can see the benefits now.
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Originally posted by NHH View PostThe thing to remember with relegation was that the expansion of the football league in 1921 was to try and counter Rugby League; the Southern League had been integrated the year before as Division Three, then the upper echelons of the regional Northern and Midland leagues were creamed off to make Division Three North. As a result, the upper eschelons of the Northern and Midland non-leagues were weaker than the equivalent southern leagues. I wonder if that's why some of the teams who came up in the post 87 relegation/promotion without being backed by silly money have been disproportionately southern teams (Wycombe, Yeovil until now, Cheltenham, Barnet) as they were clubs that were missed out back in 1921.
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Wasn’t bothered who won this battle of the vanity projects. Can’t see too many of the crushed grouplet of Fylde fans electing to schlep down next weekend from the north west for the consolation Trophy final. But there will be a decent crowd because Orient have sold plenty of tickets, and the south-east based Vase teams (both promoted from step 5) will shift quite a few thousand too for an easy journey to a celebratory day out.
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Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
Barnet and Wycombe (not sure about Yeovil and Cheltenham) were "amateur" clubs back then. There was little incentive for them to turn pro. The attendances of many were comparable with third division teams, and their expenses far less (mainly because of undeclared non-cash arrangements, not to mention "boot" money.) That ended when amateurism disappeared. Yeovil was always a "big" Southern League team, so it was expected they'd move up reasonably quickly, same with Oxford and Cambridge Uniteds. Barnet and Wycombe probably benefited from the post-War population growth in the South East and had the wherewithal to rise at that time too.
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Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View PostBarnet and Wycombe (not sure about Yeovil and Cheltenham) were "amateur" clubs back then. There was little incentive for them to turn pro. The attendances of many were comparable with third division teams, and their expenses far less (mainly because of undeclared non-cash arrangements, not to mention "boot" money.) That ended when amateurism disappeared. Yeovil was always a "big" Southern League team, so it was expected they'd move up reasonably quickly, same with Oxford and Cambridge Uniteds. Barnet and Wycombe probably benefited from the post-War population growth in the South East and had the wherewithal to rise at that time too.
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Oxford City were indeed once the bigger side in Oxford. But they fell behind Headington United (who became Oxford United) when they decided not to turn professional, staying in the Isthmian League. Headington United turned professional in 1949, joined the Southern League, and pretty soon became one of the top sides in it.Last edited by Jimski; 14-05-2019, 05:32.
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Originally posted by tee rex View Post8,000 attendance seems pretty low. Other clubs might not have sizeable crowds, but for a Wembley day out the day-trippers usually turn out from the town/region. Even Torquay would attract more.
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I gather Fylde have sold quite a few more tickets for this weekend's match than for last weekend's, what with them knowing they were going to be in it seven weeks ago and the prices being much cheaper.
I still wanted Fylde to win the promotion play-off, on footballing grounds partly (they a more easy on the eye passing game than Salford) and for the reasons Ray de Galles cites, that Salford's win turns next year's League Two into a class of 92 theme park. Still, Salford's a decent away trip
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Originally posted by Jobi1 View Post
Anecdotally, about half that number were 'neutrals', with 1,000 from Fylde and 3,000 from Salford (the majority of whom you'd imagine were just there in the hope of a selfie with a Neville brother).
As someone said above, my guess is that the figure includes thousands of comps issued and the take up rate on such tickets is usually around 30% at the absolute best. I'd be surprised if there was much above 5,000 actually in the stadium.
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Originally posted by Jimski View PostOxford City were indeed once the bigger side in Oxford. But they fell behind Headington United (who became Oxford United) when they decided not to turn professional, staying in the Isthmian League. Headington United turned professional in 1949, joined the Southern League, and pretty soon became one of the top sides in it.
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
What kind of "neutral" would turn up for a game like that? I'm an inveterate attender of random games and love rubbernecking at play-offs but that game wouldn't have any appeal for me even without the problems I have with both clubs, especially at Wembley.
As someone said above, my guess is that the figure includes thousands of comps issued and the take up rate on such tickets is usually around 30% at the absolute best. I'd be surprised if there was much above 5,000 actually in the stadium.
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Yeah, that was for all three Vanarama divisions. I got a cheap ticket for the final that was eventually Bristol Rovers v Grimsby Town through Wealdstone. A number of other Wealdstone folk also bought tickets but ended up going to watch Hendon fail to get promoted on the same day...
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Absolute cracker from Chertsey centre half Quincy Rowe to seal the Vase for The Curfews, 3-1 in the last few minutes of extra time.Last edited by Ray de Galles; 19-05-2019, 13:51.
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