Originally posted by Satchmo Distel
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A useful website that, albeit taking away some of the fun in remembering for yourself how things were. Interesting that BBC2 was doing some cricket coverage by then. And yes, the Eisteddford was considered a big deal in those days. On Test matches, if I remember correctly, they didn't start until 11:30 in those days which might explain some of the timings. -
Think about it this way. International sport is essentially war by less murderous means, so you wind up with competitions where the teams are a) from far right military dictatorships b) communist dictatorships c) countries with a thin veneer of democracy over a society that is not exactly the most rule bound. Throw in that the standard of refereeing across the board, at every level, is so bad and so arbitrary that it is almost impossible to detect corruption, that there is no consequences for getting caught, and there is no testing for drugs. Essentially if you are the sort of country where you imprison your political opponents, you are going to cheat at international sport. Those countries didn't always win, so you then have to stare long and hard at those who did.Originally posted by Sporting View Post
The belgian FA, and in particular their chairman Constant van den Stock (the Anderlecht stadium was named after him until they needed a sponsor this sesaon. He did after all buy them a lot of european success back in the day) were notorious for this sort of carry on. The Thing that is striking about this game though, is that it is clear that these are two extremely good teams, even without the assistance. The USSR have nine players from Dinamo Kiev, who are playing an early form of Van Gaal football. It's just that if you are sprinting around after nearly 2 hours of football in the heat of mexico 86, you may as well still have the syringe in your arm. The belgians had a load of really good players, but everything they did just stinks. Ireland were the next team to play belgium in a competitive match after this, and it's the first game of football I remember watching in any detail. Apparently Ireland went into this match 100% expecting to get done by the referee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JewGBlb2eOk So imagine our surprise when we got a late penalty to equalize. I've watched a lot of football since, and I don't think I've seen two better headed goals in the same match. That scifo goal in particular is amazing.
But we weren't to be disappointed by what happened in sofia in that same group. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXtlNVEB3y4 That first goal is fucking laughable, and there is a photograph of the penalty incident, and it's well outside the box, and the referee can see that it's outside the box, but he gives them a penalty anyway. You can't believe how surprised we were when scotland won 1-0 in sofia and we qualified. The more of these old games I watch, the more convinced I am that VAR is the best thing that has happened to the game since the backpass rule.
I watched the argentina 1-0 brazil game from italia 90, and I must say Brazil put on a great show for a team that had been given water bottles laced with rohypnol by the argentinians. https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/mar...ia-90-1.409147 I Mean fuck me, that is a serious criminal offence. You go to jail for a good while if you get caught doing that. but what can you expect of a team built around the amazing talents of a mid level cammora associate and medium scale international drug smuggler. It's really hard to enjoy some of these games when you take into account who these teams are representing, and the terrible state of the world at the time.
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Love that bit in the McIlvanney piece "We've got athlete's foot down to about 30 per cent of what it was when the boys came together". Early example of marginal gains, there.Comment
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It really jumps out doesn't it?
Ten years later you had progressed to things like this.
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Yes.Comment
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Christ knows what Man United put in Liverpool's tea before the 1996 Cup Final.Comment
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Far more likely the liverpool players were putting something in their own tea.Comment
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Reassuring that the Sunderland & Boro fans on here still cant help themselves with reference to SJP even if cant agree whether it Sid or Syd James Park.Comment
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You think Man Utd played well in comparison? It was a terrible game decided by a flash of genius.Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostComment
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13/7/66
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Baltimore Sun, 24/7/66
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Back to some comments about the media to extend some of the previous posts about the BBC's other commitments. Apparently the BBC had imported a new reply technology from US TV engineering companies but the DVDs I have don't feature any replays. In fact, the early commercial DVDs of the final released by BBC often featured a fair amount of missing time, so collectors filled that time from VHS copies. I guess the BBC felt like DVD media needed to be better quality.
I also read that BBC was ready to introduce color broadcasts during the WC but someone in the government didn't want that to happen because not enough people had color TVs. I can't find the source for that since I was site hopping last week. But I would have thought that a complete film version of the final would have been released in color by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmuk0Yd5hi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0aK2IgORGA
There is no way to dumbluck into filming goals so the footage was clearly edited down from the complete films.Comment
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Whatever the circumstances, which I didn’t know about (then or now) the way Maradona sucked all the defenders in before setting up Caniggia in that Arg-Bra 90 game was a stunning moment. Far from meaningless, anyway.Comment
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I'm surprised by that too. I remember some years ago (I'm thinking early 2000s, but possibly late 90s) that ITV broadcast the full 120 minutes in colour. So the footage must surely be around somewhere.Originally posted by danielmak View Post
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The ITV coverage is in black and white on youtube. The climactic moment is "Martin Peters going, er, it's Geoff Hurst, Hurst going forward, he might make it three ... he has! He has! That's it!".Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 31-05-2020, 11:19.Comment
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I really like the way that a lot of the black and white footage of football in the sixties looks so crisp and clear like that. It gives it a really weird timeless air, given that everything is about to go all Sensible soccer for a couple of years.Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostComment
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It was indeed utter garbage. Almost as bad as the 2007 United/Chelsea final.Originally posted by G-Man View Post
There was an interview with Gerald Sinstadt some years later in which he conceded that while his own commentary of those final moments had been rather trite and awful, Kenneth Wolstenholme had nailed it for all time.Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostLast edited by Jah Womble; 31-05-2020, 13:10.Comment
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'Goal!': "The executive producer spent $336,000 on the production and used 117 cameras to record nearly 48 hours worth of action. Four editors were employed to created the final 108-minute feature."
https://letterboxd.com/film/goal-1966/
It has a lot of cinematographers and photographers in the credits (imdb). Click through their other work and it's impressive:
Produced byMusic byOctavio Se?oret ... producer Michael Sullivan ... executive producer Cinematography by Film Editing by Sound DepartmentJohnny Hawksworth ... (as John Hawksworth) Camera and Electrical DepartmentBrad Bradbourne ... sound recordist Bernard Childs ... sound recordist Gordon Everett ... sound recordist Bob Jones ... sound recordist Clive Winter ... sound recordist Garry Wrexham ... sound recordist Michael Elphick ... additional photographer Terry Gould ... additional photographer Peter Hannan ... additional photographer Alan Hewison ... additional photographer Richard Lorimore ... additional photographer Ian MacFarlane ... additional photographer Mark McDonald ... additional photographer (as Mark MacDonald) David Pearce ... additional photographer Maurice Picot ... additional photographer Alan Prentice ... additional photographer Brian Probyn ... additional photographer Michael Samuelson ... additional photographer Sydney Samuelson ... additional photographer Arthur Wooster ... additional photographer Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 31-05-2020, 13:20.Comment
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My mum grew up in North London (down the road from where Barnet now play) and, with other members of her guide troop, was amongst the programme sellers for World Cup games at Wembley. For doing this she was offered free tickets to all the games she sold at programmes at, but didn't take any.Comment
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Yes, Sinstadt didn't do WC commentary until Mexico 70. ITV 66 was Hugh Johns, Gerry Loftus, John Camkin and Barry Davies, with summaries by Jock Stein, Bill Shankly, Dave Bowen and Phil Woosnam (all Scottish or Welsh; credit to ITV for not using English summarizers). Brian Moore was the BBC radio commentator IIRC.Originally posted by Capybara View Post
http://carousel.royalwebhosting.net/itv/WorldCup66.htmlLast edited by Satchmo Distel; 31-05-2020, 14:45.Comment
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"Nah, it's all right ta, I'll just go the next time the World Cup's here instead."Originally posted by Southport Zeb View PostComment
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