Sean Gonnery

[3 Colours Red]

the lead's inability to do a Scottish or American accent, see two feet beyond his nose or, well, act.

I can relate to Lambert not being able to wear contact lenses, but I wouldn't be doing swordfighting and almost losing fingers without my bins on. I'm probably almost certainly better at accents though.

[NickSTFU]

More the fact that Luke Rsole seems to be celebrating this as smart or funny thing to say, I'd suggest.

Perhaps, but I saw it as a dig at those who admired Connery as an actor, but did not mention his questionable views on women.

I mean, I dunno, it's the internet, fuck knows what people mean.

[Sean of the Shed]

Yeah, it's difficult. Like other art forms and sports as well and even politics, you can admire somebody for what they can do or what they stand for whilst at the same time having to deal with the fact that they can be any level of cunt in everyday life. You have to draw that line and it may be a different point on the scale for others. The Kobe Bryant thread highlighted that perfectly. The thing with Luke R is based on his previous posts and his love of trolling he doesn't earn any leeway.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Michael Mann’s Public Enemies covers some of that territory too, but doesn’t quite work. That recent one with Costner as one of the guys that got Bonnie & Clyde also show just how violent and brutal law enforcement was in its efforts to get the various famous bandits in the depression. They were violent and nasty too, but it could be successfully argued that they took a “no prisoners” approach to people like Dillinger and B&C because they made capitalism look bad.

I didn't know that they made a show about Frank Hamer. That could be an extremely interesting show given the life he lead. But I'd be worried about the presence of Costner. I don't necessarily know if you have to make it about making capitalism look bad. You don't have to shoot too many policemen to fix things so that you're unlikely to see a courtroom. But also when you're using Automatic military weapons o shoot essentially village policemen, who are armed with whatever antique peashooters they can afford on their hopelessly inadequate wages, at some point the robin hood story is going to turn into story about immiserated distraught widows and orphans.

I reckon you don't need to tie capitalism into it, it seems like a bit of a stretch, it's seems to me that the biggest problem was that people driving around in high powered cars and evading prosecution by simply crossing state lines, highlighted that the structure of the state, independent of the economic system, simply didn't work in the age of the motor car, and that an overarching federal law enforcement system was definitely needed, and that made a lot of people unhappy in its own way.

I remember watching the Untouchables with my dad around the time it came out,and he enjoyed it immensely because it reminded him of the Gangster films he used to watch as a kid, which he always said were enjoyable nonsense. The thing he pointed out was that there was way more than four untouchables, and none of them were killed by the mob, because for all the strength and wealth of capone and the gangsters, the Police force is always the biggest gang in any city, and while they may have had certain divided loyalties and overlapping financial interests with the bootleggers, If the mobsters assassinated an "untouchable," in the manner laid out in the movie, the entire police force would have taken to the streets and would have immediately started killing Capone's gangsters and wouldn't stop until there were all dead. And then declared it a victory for the good guys, and made movies about righteous justice.

[Jah Womble]

And shit in Untouchables. For which they gave him an Oscar, FFS.

Yeah, that happens sometimes. Just lip service. (‘On His Majesty’s Secret Lip Service’, etc.)

The wife-beating is - obviously - way, way beyond reproach, but I don’t think that the franchise as a whole did a great deal for equality/women’s rights.

[Hot Pepsi]

I didn't know that they made a show about Frank Hamer. That could be an extremely interesting show given the life he lead. But I'd be worried about the presence of Costner. I don't necessarily know if you have to make it about making capitalism look bad. You don't have to shoot too many policemen to fix things so that you're unlikely to see a courtroom. But also when you're using Automatic military weapons o shoot essentially village policemen, who are armed with whatever antique peashooters they can afford on their hopelessly inadequate wages, at some point the robin hood story is going to turn into story about immiserated distraught widows and orphans.

I reckon you don't need to tie capitalism into it, it seems like a bit of a stretch, it's seems to me that the biggest problem was that people driving around in high powered cars and evading prosecution by simply crossing state lines, highlighted that the structure of the state, independent of the economic system, simply didn't work in the age of the motor car, and that an overarching federal law enforcement system was definitely needed, and that made a lot of people unhappy in its own way.

I remember watching the Untouchables with my dad around the time it came out,and he enjoyed it immensely because it reminded him of the Gangster films he used to watch as a kid, which he always said were enjoyable nonsense. The thing he pointed out was that there was way more than four untouchables, and none of them were killed by the mob, because for all the strength and wealth of capone and the gangsters, the Police force is always the biggest gang in any city, and while they may have had certain divided loyalties and overlapping financial interests with the bootleggers, If the mobsters assassinated an "untouchable," in the manner laid out in the movie, the entire police force would have taken to the streets and would have immediately started killing Capone's gangsters and wouldn't stop until there were all dead. And then declared it a victory for the good guys, and made movies about righteous justice.

Those are good points.

Here’s the movie.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1860242/

It is sort of a correction to the 70s Bonnie & Clyde, which made Hamer out to be a corrupt dumbass.

But I was struck by how they are clearly shooting to kill from the start. There’s not much pretense of trying to get them to trial.

Same in Public Enemy. In that film, Dillinger was just executed in public, essentially. The reality is less clear.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

But I was struck by how they are clearly shooting to kill from the start. There’s not much pretense of trying to get them to trial.

I'd do the same given a) they were driving around with the contents of a military armory in the car, b) they had no compunction about shooting policemen. c) they could get away by pressing the accelerator, and once they were out of line of sight, they may as well have disappeared.

[Hot Pepsi]

I'd do the same given a) they were driving around with the contents of a military armory in the car, b) they had no compunction about shooting policemen. c) they could get away by pressing the accelerator, and once they were out of line of sight, they may as well have disappeared.

Dillinger was on foot coming out of a theater.

B&C were not given a chance to surrender. The Texas Rangers just ambushed them with over 100 rounds.

The shot-up car was taken to fairs and what not for gawkers to enjoy. That’s just sick, isn’t it?

[Come along, Min]

Perhaps, but I saw it as a dig at those who admired Connery as an actor, but did not mention his questionable views on women.

I mean, I dunno, it's the internet, fuck knows what people mean.

Yes, pretty much this.

Although I do remember my old friend's impression fairly fondly as he frequently made me laugh at fairly obscure references, as this one would have been, at the time. Thinking of that gave me a genuine fleeting moment of warm nostalgia.

I don't remember being particularly aghast at the revelation, but it was a minor wtf moment for sure.

I was surprised I made the first mention of it, this place usually goes in hard and quick over perceived or actual transgressions to the prevailing orthodoxies.

[WOM]

The shot-up car was taken to fairs and what not for gawkers to enjoy. That’s just sick, isn’t it?

Currently on view at Whiskey Pete's Casino in Primm, Nevada.

[Patrick Thistle]

I didn't know about the DV until this thread.

Would agree on Bond films being rapey though. Very evident in the new Daniel Craig ones as well.

[Lang Spoon]

The films feel more stupid than ever, for all the Angst bullshit. And they are boring. Wish the fucker had drowned in Rannoch Moor in Skyfall.

[WOM]

I think we can all agree that Moonraker was the high water mark.

[Lang Spoon]

At least it was fun. The franchise began and ended with dour sociopaths. At least I hope Covid and The Death of Cinema kills off the whole Bond nonsense.

[Snake Plissken]

I think we can all agree that Moonraker was the high water mark.

I think that you will find that Octopussy was the all time high.

[WOM]

Ouch....

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Dillinger was on foot coming out of a theater.

B&C were not given a chance to surrender. The Texas Rangers just ambushed them with over 100 rounds.

The shot-up car was taken to fairs and what not for gawkers to enjoy. That’s just sick, isn’t it?

Heh, but the one thing we know for sure about Clyde Barrow, was that after his experiences in Jail the first time around (He beat his rapist to death with a lead pipe) he was literally the poster child for "You'll never take me alive." he was also the poster child for shooting his way out of attempts to arrest him with automatic weapons. (I refer you back to the bit about the downsides of shooting policemen) Dillinger kept breaking out of jail in violent ways, and was definitely armed when they caught up with him. That said, I don't think that the agents involved were under any great pressure to bring him in alive. Indeed quite the opposite.

The Shot up car touring fairs was a direct result of the refusal of all the assorted authorities to pay harmer and his confederates, telling them that they could have the car and its contents. It's little details like that that give you more insight into life in the US in the 30's than anything else. Harmer's kids were still selling guns from that incident in the eighties

[WOM]

Also, morbid curiosity has no bounds. When Dillinger was in the morgue, over 15,000 people trouped through for a look at his body. The Bonnie and Clyde car is certainly something I'd have paid a nickel for a look at in those days. People used to pay to watch two steam locomotives crash into each other head on at state fairs, so a death car from a famous pair of outlaws was a big deal.

[Hot Pepsi]

Heh, but the one thing we know for sure about Clyde Barrow, was that after his experiences in Jail the first time around (He beat his rapist to death with a lead pipe) he was literally the poster child for "You'll never take me alive." he was also the poster child for shooting his way out of attempts to arrest him with automatic weapons. (I refer you back to the bit about the downsides of shooting policemen) Dillinger kept breaking out of jail in violent ways, and was definitely armed when they caught up with him. That said, I don't think that the agents involved were under any great pressure to bring him in alive. Indeed quite the opposite.

The Shot up car touring fairs was a direct result of the refusal of all the assorted authorities to pay harmer and his confederates, telling them that they could have the car and its contents. It's little details like that that give you more insight into life in the US in the 30's than anything else. Harmer's kids were still selling guns from that incident in the eighties

I can understand why they didn’t think they could take him alive. It’s the lack of any pretense that I found noteworthy. They hired Texans to do it for a reason.

[Benjm]

I think that you will find that Octopussy was the all time high.

Oh, Snake...

[Snake Plissken]

WOM doesn't get enough on his defensive clearance, I smash a glorious 25 yarder of a pun into the top corner and the OTF collective sighs and shakes its head. Sometimes I'm wasted on you people.

[Toby Gymshorts]

I've liked Benjm's post but you need to think about what you've done, Snake Plissken.

[Snake Plissken]

I regret nothing.

[Patrick Thistle]

I don't get it

[elguapo4]

"All time high " is the theme song from Octopussy.