Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Windows!
Huh? How is that in any way responsive to what I said?
Yes, until they are able to bend to laws of physics and make light travel faster than it currently does.
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I haven't used Word 2007 yet.
Has anyone? I mean on a day-to-day basis. Both the educational establishments I'm involved with have sent round memos warning staff and faculty against using it.Comment
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It's actually far far better than 2003 and far more intuitive. It's because your'e used to the old menu system that it's a struggle. If you came to 2007 without having used Word before, you'd just love it.Probably not the place to tell you how much I hate Office 2007, and Word 2007 in particular, but I really, really do.
Unwieldy, unstable, counter-intuitive and shit.
Seriously. I've been using 2007 for a year now and it's excellent.really simple to use.
It's a billion times better than the '03 iteration and it's only inertia and resistance to change holding it back.
And for those people, there is this:-
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/Comment
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No it isn't. It still applies indentation where you don't ask for it. It still moves text around in one part of your document when you try to change the formatting in another. It can't keep track of numbering. It can't remember bullet styles properly. I could fill pages: in all, it's an appalling pile.it's excellentComment
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It's because your'e used to the old menu system that it's a struggle. If you came to 2007 without having used Word before, you'd just love it.
Even if that were true it would still be a major criticism in my book. If you have to teach using apps every upgrade is time subtracted from doing what you should be doing. Then, if its a major upgrade, factor in the heightened anxiety of students who have only just familiar with the previous version and that doubles the workload.Comment
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Tactical Genius wrote:
You're kidding, right?Does your institution teach IT related courses or degrees?Comment
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Andy C wrote:
Ah, man, Word's bullet styles and indentation. Don't get me started. Another area in which LaTeX pisses all over everything written decades later.No it isn't. It still applies indentation where you don't ask for it. It still moves text around in one part of your document when you try to change the formatting in another. It can't keep track of numbering. It can't remember bullet styles properly. I could fill pages: in all, it's an appalling pile.it's excellent
TG: I think you have a model of our "network" that's something much more intimate and interconnected than is the reality. So don't think "network" at all, think clusters: themselves closely linked, but very loosely associated to one another. There's no real way I can "publish to the network", except client-side (and I can publish to the world client-side).
Builds go on only at cluster level; installations go on only at cluster level. My ability to wreak havoc is much more limited than you're imagining.
This may be why we're talking at cross-purposes here, and I apologise if I've not been informative enough. On the other hand, you're issuing very sweeping advice without much information, so, you know.Comment
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This (to a relatively non-techy person, but fuck it, you don't seem to have to know what you're talking about to post an opinion on here) seems to me to be a classic DBA v Programmer battle.
The DBA wants to lock-down the system so it continues to work and doesn't give a toss about whether people can get any work done or not. In short the DBA sees the Programmer as impeding his ability to Do His Job.
The Programmer wants to get Some Work Done and knows it is in the DBA's job description to impede him doing his job.
In short, a power struggle.
If you're lucky, they find a real-world compromise. If you're not they continue to fight like bald men (ha!) over a comb. No work gets done. Consultants are hired for vast sums of money to come up with new IT solutions. The end.Comment
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P.S. Word 2007 sucks arse big time. Actually Word XXXX sucks arse big time.Comment
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I've spent a few years in IT myself, couple of things I picked up made me jump. Admin rights should be only for sysadmin/netadmin, at most a develloper should be some kind of power user. It's not a powertrip but you need as little a group of people as possible that can play god on a network to limit the risks to it. The other thing is putting new applications on a live network (or even a single pc if there is a kind of standard image being installed on site) without prior testing, this can cause serious problems if conflicts arise between the apps. I know a number of people, indeed admin, who got sacked for doing that during my time at XXX. You want to install something, you go through a change process, run by the IT admin. Standard stuff in my experience.
Think of it as an OTF discussion, the introduction of posted X can derail it pretty badly due to conflicts with poster Y...Comment
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Wyatt.
"You're kidding, right?"
Not really, that stuff i have been talking about is the kind of stuff they teach in IT degrees so it is alarming if they are not practising what they preach.
I don't know who you work for (and you don't have to tell me) but it might be specialist college only catering in Mathematics.
"TG: I think you have a model of our "network" that's something much more intimate and interconnected than is the reality."
Fair enough.
"So don't think "network" at all, think clusters: themselves closely linked, but very loosely associated to one another. There's no real way I can "publish to the network", except client-side (and I can publish to the world client-side)."
It's hard for me to understand what you are on about as clusters in IT has a very specific meaning and it is used to describe server implementations for fault tolerence, performance or both.
"This may be why we're talking at cross-purposes here, and I apologise if I've not been informative enough. On the other hand, you're issuing very sweeping advice without much information, so, you know"
OK, fair enough, i have made comments based on what you have said and have filled in the gaps with guesses so it is possible that i have come to the wrong conclusion in many areas.
However i will stick by my point that the problems you have are down to a poor configuration of your computer by your IT deparment.
They might be interested in reading this from the webpages of truth.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc758350.aspx
Bill Poster,
Exchange DBA with Systems Admin and you are on the right track (the DBA is in charge of the Databases).
"The DBA wants to lock-down the system so it continues to work and doesn't give a toss about whether people can get any work done or not."
That's harsh.
The Systems Admin is in charge of the entire desktop and server environment making sure everything works and is fast and secure.
To ensure this happens, certain measures have to be implemented to make sure people are not able to compromise the environment on purpose or inadvertedly.
We do this in many ways which you will all have experienced by:
Limiting websites you can visit,
Email Restrictions (number of recipients, Attatchment sizes and types).
Restricting what applications you can use or install.
Security settings in IE that stop your running certain scripts on websites.
Now to those who do not understand, we come across as paranoid little control freaks who just make your life hell just for the sake of it.
But we are a reasonable bunch and if you can justify it, we have no problem loosening the noose somewhat.
But yeah, we are suspicious of Developers with their wierd little apps that we do not understand.
Moonlight Shadow.
Thats exactly the point i am making.
I have never in all my years worked somewhere where a developer can release an application onto a live environment.
Normally it is given to the IT Admin who having been satisfied that it works will manage or oversee the release.
I don't believe in sacking people for making a mistake, i prefer them to stick around and wallow in their shame so i can sneer and tut in their direction whenever the mood takes me.Comment
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amp wrote:
One word. Hotmail. I started with that in 1995.I think it's *very* naive to dismiss cloud computing. It is happening as we speak. I use Gmail as my sole email client.
My badmind isn't with MS, despite their obvious deficiencies at least the OS is keeping 'live' and feels like they're trying.
No, my badmind is with Adobe. Monopoly position and screwing up a wonderful legacy of great creative Apps with the progressively worsening Creative Suite series. These guys need a serious competitor like right now.Comment
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MsD wrote:
Mrs Max is with you as am I. There has been a trend lately for things to actually get worse.Probably not the place to tell you how much I hate Office 2007, and Word 2007 in particular, but I really, really do.
Unwieldy, unstable, counter-intuitive and shit.
I mean is it just me or are PCs getting slower these days, because the demands of the apps are outstripping the hardware development by so much? The golden time was 5 years ago....Comment
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Why on Earth... wrote:
Speaking as someone who has been both a systems administrator and an applications developer, I'd have to say that an applications developer is the last person on earth I'd give admin rights to.Tactical Genius wrote:
What, it's not recommended practice to give me, specifically, admin rights, or it's not recommended practice to give applications developers generally admin rights? I don't know your background; have you worked with applications developers? I don't see how apps development could work under the constraints you advocate.I do wonder about the wisdom of them giving you admin rights though. It is not recommended practice.
ad hoc: I knew this would be the sternest test of all. Remaining calm so far.
Opera is greater than great. Every time I hear people spunking on about a new feature in Firefox or an new add-in, it's generally something Opera's had for ages.Though Opera looks good, I must say.
Tactical Genius wrote:
He's right. The more someone actually knows about IT (in the case of developers, analysts) or think they know (in the case of happy amateurs), the less they should be given admin rights, becasue they think they know what they're doing, so therefore it's alright for them to do whatever they want.I don't even work for your organisation and that comment is giving me hypertension. That's why us systems admins never trust developers and are loathed to trust them with elevated rights. As i am sure other systems admins like Hobbes and Pheobe will tell you, after senior management, developers are the biggest pain in the arse and probably generate about 30% of support calls.
I'll always side with the developers, because that's my background, and that's my speciality.
Not true.Oh yeah, one more thing: any programmer who says his/her code is bug free is either an idiot or a liar, or else is writing code that doesn't do anything interesting.
I didn't release any sofware with a bug in it between 1995 and 2005. And I released a lot of software, and I'm immensly proud of that, because there are so few developers I've met that can hold a candle to that record. That doesn't mean I didn't make mistakes, because I did. It just meant that I tested until things were bomb-proof (I'm also a fast coder, so I give myself more testng time on a deadline than the average developer can), and I also trusted my testers because they were fucking brilliant, and I was also the type of awkward bastard (and golden boy at one place) that could get his way in handpicking the users I wanted to test my code.
When I did finally release something with a bug in it, it was because a) I had no testers and b) I was ordered to release the software, even though I knew myself it wasn't ready because the system it was replacing crashed (and the company that wrote it had not only disabled any way of accessing the code, but they'd also gone bust).
Mind you, the software wasn't interesting either. Actuary/insurance/mortgage/investment bollocks mainly.
Tactical Genius wrote:
Although this doesn't stop us singling users out. For sport, you understand. This is why I'm a better developer than sysadmin.Now to those who do not understand, we come across as paranoid little control freaks who just make your life hell just for the sake of it.Comment
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Max Payne wrote:
PCs will always get "slower" as a rule, unless they're brand new. Although this one still runs like new at two years old, and shows no signs of slowing down.Mrs Max is with you as am I. There has been a trend lately for things to actually get worse.
I mean is it just me or are PCs getting slower these days, because the demands of the apps are outstripping the hardware development by so much? The golden time was 5 years ago....
Although I will admit I found the "dual core" processors a bit of a let down. I still run a monocore processor (3.7Ghz, I think) on this machine, and it's always runs faster than a similarly built machine on a 1.8Ghz dualcore processor. And the monocore was a quarter of the price.Comment
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I take your Point Phoebe and admit that nothing other than instant is good enough for me, but my 3ghz Quad Core rig sometimes runs quick and other times seems as slow as the computers of 5 years ago.
The fact that old versions of Adobe Photoshop, when loaded are up and running in under a second is what I'm on about though. CS3 takes almost 10 seconds.Comment
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Folks, I only have admin rights on my own machines; not over the network as a whole.Comment
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Phoebe wrote:
I'll say. I take it back.I didn't release any sofware with a bug in it between 1995 and 2005. And I released a lot of software, and I'm immensly proud of that, because there are so few developers I've met that can hold a candle to that record.Comment
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The thing about Gmail/Hotmail is that they uniquely well suited to the cloud model. For obvious reasons, you're almost always going to be connected to the internet when you want to use them. So the times when cloud computing would let you down will be mostly the same times you'd be let down with a client-side app. That's certainly not true across the board.Comment
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Not necessarily Ginger Yellow.
A clientServer mail program such as outlook would still work if connection to the mail server is lost so you can still readwrite emails, look at your calendar etc.
You just cannot send and receive so you are not just sitting there with a blank screen unable to do anything at all.
I'll say it again, Cloud computing is nothing new. It has been tried before and found to be inferior to a clientserver architecture.
It is good for things like email, but in a business environment, it will never take over.
Also, i think most of the people who are cheerleading Cloud computing don't really understand the concepts behind it.Comment
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"You just cannot send and receive so you are not just sitting there with a blank screen unable to do anything at all."
That's why I said almost always. Most people mostly use Gmail to send and receive email.
I agree. Although it should be noted that there are many, many web based services in the finance industries. But for core functions, I can't see them depending on the internet in the foreseeable future.It is good for things like email, but in a business environment, it will never take over.Comment
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This is the first major change in GUI for Office in 12 years in response to overwhelming feedback from the user group.Then, if its a major upgrade, factor in the heightened anxiety of students who have only just familiar with the previous version and that doubles the workload.
It's a long way from "every time."Comment
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"That's why I said almost always. Most people mostly use Gmail to send and receive email."
Yes, but people would not run thier businesses using Gmail as it is not reliable enough.
"I agree. Although it should be noted that there are many, many web based services in the finance industries."
You should go into a server room one day in a large company and see how much back-end processing these web-based applications use and you would probably know why the client-server model is king.
This cloud computing nonsense is just another way of bringing back the mainframe.
It won't happen and i stake my reputation on that.Comment
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Bill Poster wrote:
Thanks, you've encapsulated what I was trying to say, but far more eloquently.P.S. Word 2007 sucks arse big time. Actually Word XXXX sucks arse big time.Comment
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TG, I don't know why you keep thinking I'm disagreeing with you. I've consistently said that cloud computing isn't reliable or persistent enough for core business use.Comment
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