Finally, way way too late, the EPP has had enough of Orban. Good thread here
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if the police are not allowed to kill with immunity the prospect is too horrible to contemplateOriginally posted by ad hoc View PostComment
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This isn't particularly antisemtic just fascism-the governingin party ensuring they have the assets and control of key parts of the Cultural infrastructure
https://twitter.com/VALERIEin140/status/1387051492801089541?s=20
but we knew that
Coming to the UK soon, I'm sure.
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I am very concerned for ad hoc's daughterComment
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She's coming to the end of her degree, so she is likely to be broadly unaffected - unless other European countries start to "downgrade" the value of degrees from Hungary. I think the fact that there are very few students currently actually physically at universities means that the protests (and there would be protests) are minimised, unfortunately.
(There will probably be very little difference to her actual studies as electrical engineering doesn't really have a massively political variance)Comment
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Ah, that's good news under the circumstances.
I didn't know what degree she was doing,Comment
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Brilliantly clever graphic from Belgium's De Standaard
https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1409798438733156352
(managing to make the Hungarian flag appear as part of the torn up rainbow flag)Comment
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Apparently, the UMDR party in the Romanian parliament has proposed legislation similar to Orban's anti-LGBT campaign.Comment
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One Hungarian politician (not a member of UDMR, and not in Parliament ) has proposed it. (And no-one will listen to him)Comment
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This is a really interesting archive piece on the treatment of homosexuality in Hungary since the end of the second world war. In fact, in 1978 there is a radio interview listed here which presented a very "modern" (in the progressive sense) attitude - and obviously in 1978 radio interviews were not undertaken without government approval. Orban is moving the country back over 40 years (and to a state of "illiberalism" (to use his word) which is notably worse than that under the communist regime he professes to despise so much
The article is in Hungarian but I ran it through google translate via Chrome and it is pretty easy to follow. Just to note that the (non prejudicial) colloquial word for gay "meleg" also means warm, so that's where this translation falls down at times. So if you hit the word warm or warmth in context that doesn;t make sense, that's what it means
https://www.szabadeuropa.hu/a/szovet.../31373453.htmlComment
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The Polish context is broadly the same, which is unsurprising given the degree to which PiS follows Orban's lead.Comment
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Is it just my prejudices that imagines very Catholic Poland to be more stringent about such things than quite Catholic Hungary and that Budapest at any rate was closer to the more liberal ways of thinking about such things in Central Europe?Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostComment
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Ah, Nef
You are pretty much the last poster I expect to take official public statements at face value. [ insert smiley thing]
I'd also note that the Hungarian Church is and was quite reactionary (esp..in the 50s and 60s, egged on by US reactionaries). While the Polish church was relatively more suppressed (just ask PiS).
All that said, you aren't wrong. Having visited them all in the early 80s, Budapest was definitely the most 'open" of the cities ( my guess is that Prague would have had that title between 56 and 68)
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Indeed, even the Vatican fell out with Cardinal Mindszenty during the period.Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostComment
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A conservative commentator writes after Tucker Carlson's visit
https://twitter.com/b_novak/status/1433051774676525062
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So, pretty much every university student started the new term this week, but a large number of them are sleeping on sofas or worse. The government has requisitioned all the student dorm accommodation to accommodate "pilgrims" coming to attend the "International Eucharistic Congress" which is some kind of international Catholic gathering. I think it's already started in fact, and it culminates at the weekend with the Pope showing up (doing a mass/ a speech? not sure). Anyway, the idea that not allowing students to occupy their rooms at the very beginning of term is utterly mad, and says a lot about Orban and his priorities. The ones I feel most sorry for are the first years, and especially those from far away from the city (including foreign countries) - if you don' have friends of relatives in the capital, who knows what you do.
(Orban is also pissed off because the Pope is coming just for this event and then heading over to Slovakia for 3 days rather than staying for a while to enjoy the glorious heart of Christian Europe)Comment
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Yes, it's been held in Dublin twice in the last century, the last time being in 2012, but the incumbent Pope didn't attend on either occasion.Comment
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He's saying Mass, but he isn't even staying overnight before going to Slovakia
https://www.vatican.va/content/franc...2021/9/12.htmlComment
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He delivered a fairly overt broadside against Orban, using his address to state Christians should be open to outsiders, while he also met various Jewish leaders.Comment
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