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      I wouldn't jump the gun

      Salvini knows that his position vis a vis the 5SM will be improved in new elections, but doesn't have the power to call them and will back down if Conte refuses. The Russian oil deal investigation also isn't going away.

      Like everything in Italian politics, this is going to take time to play out.

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        Conte offers his resignation, but as it's up to Mattarella to make the next move, there are numerous alternatives to a GE.

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          And few of them give Salvini what he wanted.

          The most likely may be a new coalition led by the PD and M5s, but there are other possible coalitions and a real possibility of another technocratic government that would pass the Budget.

          Salvini's recognition that he overplayed his hand was demonstrated by his new willingness to consider prolonging a coalition he declared dead last week, but the M5S seem to have definitively recognised him for the snake that he is.

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            Would a PD/M5S coalition be any more sustainable? Or is the idea that they'll both (especially M5S) do anything to avoid another general election while the Lega's polling is so strong? Would that extend to agreeing on, say, the TAV, or just a confidence-and-supply type arrangement?

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              Those are all excellent questions, and the answer is that no one is really sure, but you have correctly identified their shared terror at having to go to the polls.

              I think that M5S may finally be willing to give up on their opposite to the TAV given the crushing financial penalties Italy would face, but Mattarella will only give them a mandate if he is convinced that they can pass a budget.

              Salvini pulling out a rosary and kissing it while Conte was tearing into him from the podium yesterday was really something else.

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                Told ya

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                  Don't ever change, Telegraph!

                  https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1166806442277556224

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                    This is good, right? Sidelining the League for a little while has to be good? And stopping them getting their election that they were trying to wangle while having decent polling has to be the right thing?

                    Although there's no chance that this government lasts the full term, presumably?

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                      It is better for Salvini not to get what he wants, yes.

                      No Italian government expects to serve its full term.

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                        Renzi En Marche:

                        https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1173675551866990595

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                          He's confirmed that he's still supporting the new government, so this seems even more of a personality driven strop than it might have otherwise.

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                            Oh that's a relief. I thought it might have been driven by principle.

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                              Dio Cane he really is the rebirth of Blair. What an egomaniac wee shite. You'd never think he presided over the death of the PDs.

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                                Does the preening wee shite actually have a plausible Macronesque base?

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                                  The nyaff seems to have the smell of Hollande/Segolene Royal failure than poundshop L'etat C'est Moi Macron to me tbh.

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                                    Renzi had a personal following in Florence, and when he first came to national attention as the antidote to Silvio's latest comeback, but he has squandered much of that goodwill. I wouldn't say that he is yet at Hollande levels, but Royal is not a bad comparison.

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                                      Right so. Just an Egomaniac wee stronzo then.

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                                        He's getting a deserved shoeing today.

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                                          Grim election results in Umbria. Also, WTF at "centrodestra"?
                                          Last edited by Ginger Yellow; 28-10-2019, 10:59.

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                                            Also, UniCredit only just now disclosing a 2015 data breach affecting 3m customers. Nice work.

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                                              It's grim.

                                              And yeah, Sole is usually better than that when it comes to labels. I had a hard enough time when it was regularly applied to Berlusconi.

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                                                More grimness.

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                                                  Yeah, I have been too depressed to post about this.

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                                                    https://twitter.com/Tobias_Italia/status/1194619057691152385

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