The Brexit Thread

[Snake Plissken]

He didn't have a choice when May called him on it - but I suspect he was going to anyway.

May is like this.

[Satchmo Distel]

Have the options reduced now then? Her deal will never pass so the pretence of further negotiations with the EU seems pointless.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Andrew Neil's position at the BBC ought to be utterly untenable. But he is giving Matt Hancock a major doing over.

[tee rex]

I don't know how the European Parliament deals with pregnant MPs in wheelchairs, but it can't be any worse than the UK's precious parliamentary sovereignty.

[Snake Plissken]

Rees-Mogg just said Parliament was sovereign and no-one picked him up on it. Fucks sake.

[Eggchaser]

This deal is like the Krusty Burger hamburgler after Homer Simpson got at him.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Tusk.

We regret the outcome of the vote, and urge the UK government to clarify its intentions with respect to next steps as soon as possible.

The EU27 will remain united and responsible as we have been throughout the entire process and will seek to reduce the damage caused by Brexit.

We will continue our preparations for all outcomes, including a no-deal scenario. The risk of a disorderly exit has increased with this vote, and while we do not want this to happen, we will be prepared for it.

We will continue the EU’s process of ratification of the agreement reached with the UK government. This agreement is and remains the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.

Ouch.

[Lucy Waterman]

Ok, so my question is this - if the confidence motion falls, what do Labour do then? People’s vote?

[Eggchaser]

Tusk.



Ouch.

I reckon he wrote that about a year ago to roll out at the appropriate time.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Ok, so my question is this - if the confidence motion falls, what do Labour do then? People’s vote?

Article 50 delay / revocation has to be the first step, to stop the "it's this deal or crash out" bullshit.

[Snake Plissken]

Soubry on C4 "118 of her own MPs voted against Theresa May, her authority is in tatters, the entire Brexit process she has been in charge of is a complete mess - of course I'll be voting to support her tomorrow".

Fucks sake.

[Snake Plissken]

DUP: "This is a terrible deal and a historic defeat by a PM that cannot give us what we want. Of course we'll be voting to support her tomorrow."

[anton pulisov]

Could have been worse for May. The Sinn Feiners could have shown up and made it 237

[Satchmo Distel]

It depends how you interpret what the original referendum gave the government a mandate to do. May is sticking to the line that remain was excluded as an option by that vote but I don't think it was a mandate for Hard Brexit either.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Neither I nor anyone else has any idea where this will end up. Just enjoy her defeat tonight.

[Satchmo Distel]

Article 50 delay / revocation has to be the first step, to stop the "it's this deal or crash out" bullshit.

Delay is pointless without a plan as to what happens during it.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Delay is better than not delay, no matter what.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Neither I nor anyone else has any idea where this will end up. Just enjoy her defeat tonight.

Absolutely.

Reports are that when she said she'd consult with "senior parliamentarians" she means not Corbyn.

[Bizarre Löw Triangle]

DUP: "This is a terrible deal and a historic defeat by a PM that cannot give us what we want. Of course we'll be voting to support her tomorrow."

I dunno why anyone is surprised about this. Didn't labour say that they'd support a referendum if the motion of no-confidence failed?

[DCI Harry Batt]

No, Labour didn't say that.

[DCI Harry Batt]

Conference welcomes Jeremy Corbyn’s determined efforts to hold the Tories to account for their disastrous negotiations. Conference accepts that the public voted to leave the EU, but when people voted to ‘take back control’ they were not voting for fewer rights, economic chaos or to risk jobs. Conference notes the warning made by Jaguar Land Rover on 11.9.18, that without the right deal in place, tens of thousands of jobs there would be put at risk.

Conference notes that workers in industries across the economy in ports, food, pharmaceuticals, manufacturing, energy, chemicals, in our public services and beyond are worried about the impact of a hard Brexit on livelihoods and communities.

Conference believes we need a relationship with the EU that guarantees full participation in the Single Market. The Brexit deal being pursued by Theresa May is a threat to jobs, freedom of movement, peace in Northern Ireland and the NHS. Tory Brexit means a future of dodgy trade deals and American-style deregulation, undermining our rights, freedoms and prosperity. This binds the hands of future Labour governments, making it much harder for us to deliver on our promises. Conference notes Labour has set six robust tests for the final Brexit deal. Conference believes Labour MPs must vote against any Tory deal failing to meet these tests in full.

Conference also believes a no-deal Brexit should be rejected as a viable option and calls upon Labour MPs to vigorously oppose any attempt by this Government to deliver a no-deal outcome. Conference notes that when trade unions have a mandate to negotiate a deal for their members, the final deal is accepted or rejected by the membership. Conference does not believe that such important negotiations should be left to government ministers who are more concerned with self-preservation and ideology than household bills and wages.

Stagnant wages, crumbling services and the housing crisis are being exacerbated by the government and employers making the rich richer at working people’s expense, and not immigration. Conference declares solidarity and common cause with all progressive and socialist forces confronting the rising tide of neo-fascism, xenophobia, nationalism and right wing populism in Europe.

Conference resolves to reaffirm the Labour Party’s commitment to the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 including no hard border in Ireland.

Conference believes that there is no satisfactory technological solution that is compliant with the Good Friday Agreement and resolves to oppose any Brexit deal that would see the restoration of a border on the island of Ireland in any form for goods, services or people.

Should Parliament vote down a Tory Brexit deal or the talks end in no-deal, Conference believes this would constitute a loss of confidence in the Government. In these circumstances, the best outcome for the country is an immediate General Election that can sweep the Tories from power.

If we cannot get a general election Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.

This should be the first step in a Europe-wide struggle for levelling-up of living standards, rights and services and democratisation of European institutions Labour will form a radical government; taxing the rich to fund better public services, expanding common ownership, abolishing anti-union laws and engaging in massive public investment.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Soubry on C4 "118 of her own MPs voted against Theresa May, her authority is in tatters, the entire Brexit process she has been in charge of is a complete mess - of course I'll be voting to support her tomorrow".

Fucks sake.

Is anyone really surprised? This was always the problem with the whole trying to force an election gambit. It simply wasn't going to work. The Tories would sooner rule in a nuclear winter than be in opposition in paradise. I mean they'd all be guaranteed places in bunkers, so they'd all be fine. Now the push for a referendum starts with no enthusiasm or momentum. The policy should always have been to use a referendum to split the tory party.

[Lucy Waterman]

Neither I nor anyone else has any idea where this will end up. Just enjoy her defeat tonight.

I can’t enjoy it till I know we don’t have to face no-deal Brexit.

i have no confidence that this isn’t a situation where all wings of Labour have been united in stupidity.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Yeah. Labour don't even have a policy.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

She's talking about taking it to 70%.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...pital-controls

erm. over what time frame? That's just fucking nuts. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some people. If you want to force companies to pay tax, then you need to create a common European Corporation tax base, to wipe out the loopholes, and then corporation tax rates will mean something. If you want to raise your tax level, don't bang it all on taxes on labour. Put taxes on wealth and property, or what about this...... Crack down on the UK's dozen tax haven dependencies, and bring the hammer down on the City of London's role in tax laundering. This is all within the power of a UK govt, within the EU.