The Brexit Thread

[Lang Spoon]

And the longer direct rule goes on, the less chance of Arlene and pals facing justice over Cash for Ash.

[Diable Rouge]

Language like this will make the sellout all the sweeter:

http://twitter.com/duponline/status/1050421745180729345

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

In a nutshell, what were the main reasons for the DUP to oppose the GFA twenty years ago?

i) like everything else in Northern Ireland since the 50's, It enable Ian paisley to gradually destroy mainstream Unionism, until he was in charge. Anyone who ever stood in his way was derided as a traitor for even driving on the same road as catholics, until they were all destroyed, and he then decided it was fine to form a comedy double act with Martin mcGuinness. I like to think that they became lovers, once they realized that they wanted the same things.
2) It gave even a smidgen of political power to Catholics, and guaranteed their rights to a certain degree
3) It gave more say to Dublin
4) it's Britain's framework for getting the fuck out of Northern Ireland. It's basically "Right You cunts all have 40 years to learn to live with each other, And when all the Troubles generation are dead, you can all fuck off and join the republic.

[Diable Rouge]

It's all rather Jarndyce vs Jarndyce:

http://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1050419299070959616

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

For 18 years until 2016 the GFA was widely seen as a means to regulate peaceful local govt/ politics post-Troubles. In those terms it has clearly failed- there is no local govt.

It barely mentions the EU

It doesn't mention the EU, in the way that a political agreement between fish probably wouldn't mention water. Leaving the EU would cut across over 100 areas of cross border co-operation. It doesn't mention a hard border either. Indeed it kind of fundamentally relies on the border effectively disappearing.

[Diable Rouge]

FT reporting that the UK will remain in the CU indefinitely (for which read permanently), and NI will remain in the Single Market. Leadsom and McVey close to resigning.

[Pérou Flaquettes]

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[Pérou Flaquettes]

They're cunts.

What GO said

Thanks for your input, I don't know much about the DUP but I'd somehow figured that out.

The main reasons for GFA “failure” to produce local govt is DUP sectarian intransigence on a Language Act. It’s a bilateral treaty between two states, you want to amend or scrap it, you need the consent of the dirty south.

i) like everything else in Northern Ireland since the 50's, It enable Ian paisley to gradually destroy mainstream Unionism, until he was in charge. Anyone who ever stood in his way was derided as a traitor for even driving on the same road as catholics, until they were all destroyed, and he then decided it was fine to form a comedy double act with Martin mcGuinness. I like to think that they became lovers, once they realized that they wanted the same things.
2) It gave even a smidgen of political power to Catholics, and guaranteed their rights to a certain degree
3) It gave more say to Dublin
4) it's Britain's framework for getting the fuck out of Northern Ireland. It's basically "Right You cunts all have 40 years to learn to live with each other, And when all the Troubles generation are dead, you can all fuck off and join the republic.

1 Nats (acc to DUP) cant be trusted to share power as they supported or at least condoned violence

2 Blair fibbed that SF would give up weapons, accept rule of law immediately etc

Thanks all for your explanation, with a special mention to TAB.

[Lang Spoon]

FT reporting that the UK will remain in the CU indefinitely (for which read permanently), and NI will remain in the Single Market. Leadsom and McVey close to resigning.

That would make NI genuinely economically viable for the first time since the 50s. If the DUP weren’t so blind, they should embrace that. Skyscrapers filling in the gaps round the blasted “Titanic Quarter”.

[Lang Spoon]

Also gives a nice precedent for the Scots Nats to argue same for scotland, and an excellent grievance to stoke when inevitably refused.

[Lang Spoon]

Cos fuck all FDI will be left in “Britain” without being in SM.

[Tubby Isaacs]

A Tory MP is furious work has begun to turn a motorway in his consistency into a "parking lot" in case of no deal Brexit without him knowing.

Tom Tugendhat, Conservative MP for Tonbridge and Malling in Kent, berated Transport secretary Chris Grayling for work beginning overnight on the M26.

Part of the M26 will be closed overnight until Monday, and then again from November 19 to December 21, as the motorway is made ready to hold potentially hundreds of lorries.

Tugendhat himself seems reasonably moderate on Brexit. But his constituents might reasonably ask why his party have caused this mess.

[Sporting]

The DUP are everything (negative) they have been called in this thread, but it would be nice if Sinn Fein could make some kind of exception to their refusal to attend or vote in parliament in London. Talk about tipping the balance...Not going to happen, I know.

[Snake Plissken]

In order to take up their seats they would have to swear allegiance to the Queen. That’s a long wait for a train don’t come.

[San Bernardhinault]

Also, given that Brexit seems to be causing the collapse of the Union, seeing as we're going to end with different status for NI within the UK, I'd think that Sinn Fein might actually be happy with the current fuck-up.

[Moonlight Shadow]

SF are playing the long game, the last two years have pushed their cause further forward that they could ever hope...

[Tubby Isaacs]

From last week.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...brexit/572134/

This is quite amusing in the light of today.

The Man Who Thinks He Can Save Brexit
With Britain’s Conservatives looking fragile and disunited, a plausible successor to Theresa May waits offstage—and it isn’t Boris Johnson.

It's.... Tom Tugendhat.

At the moment, he can't even stop a road his constituents use being turned into a lorry park.

[Tubby Isaacs]

[sw2borshch]

Looks like he's got half a dafty at the thought of it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

He needn't worry. The Brexit Dividend might finally be showing up.

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1050690470693756928

[Diable Rouge]

Perhaps we should rename this thread "The Brexit transition period will never end"?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...to-appease-dup

[hobbes]

I'll take the cunt.

[Sporting]

Aye, for those of us on here who used to read the NME...how times change...

[Nefertiti2]

Parsons and Burchill. The boy and girl looked at Tommy Robinson with admiration as he proceed to encourage a gang of racists to kick the shit out of Juan, Jan, Johan Muhammad and the rest.

[Sporting]

Indeed.