Ad hoc, but Romania is marginally less likely to get thrown out of the EU.
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Not to suggest that anyone on here's doing it, but I've noticed a nasty tendency among Lexity types to reduce British people in Europe to either elite business jet-setters or 'gammon' on the Costa del Sol, rather than ordinary people living abroad in good faith who've now been cut adrift, mostly having had no say in the matter.
It's a sickening feeling when it seems that the only people who even acknowledge your existence are a few relatively sane Tories from the dim and distant past and Labour right-wingers who are most likely only using you as a stick to stir the shit with.
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Originally posted by Alderman Barnes View PostNot to suggest that anyone on here's doing it, but I've noticed a nasty tendency among Lexity types to reduce British people in Europe to either elite business jet-setters or 'gammon' on the Costa del Sol, rather than ordinary people living abroad in good faith who've now been cut adrift, mostly having had no say in the matter.
It's a sickening feeling when it seems that the only people who even acknowledge your existence are a few relatively sane Tories from the dim and distant past and Labour right-wingers who are most likely only using you as a stick to stir the shit with.
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View PostWell said.
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
They're ruling out the Single Market, but want something very similar, to be negotiated. As I mentioned a few pages back, I can't think that they'd be doing this unless they've had some sort of heads-up from Barnier et al at their meetings - they'd be very silly if they were.
It is esoteric, and 'playing politics' - but that's what they're there for. Fwiw, I never took Corbyn's 'truthful, honest politics' - or whatever it was he said - as meaning that they wouldn't be as canny as they could be, given the circumstances.
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They're ruling out the Single Market, but want something very similar, to be negotiated. As I mentioned a few pages back, I can't think that they'd be doing this unless they've had some sort of heads-up from Barnier et al at their meetings - they'd be very silly if they were.
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View PostThis is also the Tory position, and it doesn't seem like they've got a heads up from Barnier.
Though it is just a feeling. Possibly just born out of tribal allegiance.
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The semantics are important. Yes, both want to 'negotiate' SM etc. I have a feeling that Barnier etc know that Labour would be more 'reasonable' and better to deal with.
Though it is just a feeling. Possibly just born out of tribal allegiance.
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostI can see how it might be seen as a bit snobby and sneery. You're always heading into iffy territory when your piss-take of people is based on what they look like rather than what they say.
It's very dirtbag left, which has had a surprising amount of success by pointing to whoever and going "Just look at these fucking people. They're grotesque. Why are you listening to them?"
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I think that the last couple of days have clarified that there is no negotiated settlement that the Tories are capable of agreeing with the EU and we're either heading for no deal, or a complete capitulation from May and BINO. I fear that the no deal is the more likely though.
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This is very good on Brexit and the state of Britain more generally
t would be almost reassuring to know that there was an ideology of Tory Brexit that was driving things, just as there is an ideology known as ‘Lexit’ which views the EU as an anti-democratic neoliberal institution that must be resisted. But for the generation who entered public life in the 1990s, after the ‘end of ideology’, there were only two choices: to devote oneself with immense earnestness to the nitty-gritty of policy and economics, or to revel in the freedom of symbolism and storytelling, as journalists, PR professionals and pranksters. Political careers came later. Britain’s misfortune is that matters of the greatest seriousness are now in the hands of basically unserious people.
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Originally posted by Flynnie View PostI think it's getting towards the idea that there's a correlation between that kind of person - clearly comfortable, middle aged and older, not affected by austerity in any meaningful way, blazers and golf club attire - and the imperialistic nostalgia for the days of yore that drives Brexit, the Tory party, nuclear weapons fetishizing, etc.
It's very dirtbag left, which has had a surprising amount of success by pointing to whoever and going "Just look at these fucking people. They're grotesque. Why are you listening to them?"
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Originally posted by E10 Rifle View PostWe don't need some faceless Eurocrat to divide us. We're already divided as fuck, thanks largely to the sort of people the Telegraph cheerleads
And then there's Northern Ireland
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