The Brexit Thread

[Ginger Yellow]

I mean, longer than that, really, it was just most recently updated then. It's always been a requirement to be a member state. Non-members got the European Cultural Month, which doesn't exist any more.

[anton pulisov]

Where the fuck is David Cameron in all of this? Is he refusing to speak out against all the horseshit because he doesn't want to upset the Tory party?

[Ginger Yellow]

Where the fuck is David Cameron in all of this? Is he refusing to speak out against all the horseshit because he doesn't want to upset the Tory party?

I think he'd rather everyone forgot he had anything to do with this.

[Nefertiti2]

I mean, longer than that, really, it was just most recently updated then. It's always been a requirement to be a member state. Non-members got the European Cultural Month, which doesn't exist any more.

What about istanbul

[Guy Profumo]

Before 2014?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Cameron's writing his memoirs in his expensive shed, I think.

[Nefertiti2]

In response to: "It's always been a requirement to be a member state. "

[Tubby Isaacs]

Actually, surprised Cameron hasn't reinvented himself as a staunch advocate of the Single Market or bank passporting. Probably a few quid in it for him.

[Ginger Yellow]

Good question, to be honest. I assume because it was effectively an accession country at the time. But it's not in the list of countries from the 2006 law.

[Tubby Isaacs]

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So Dundee to lose out on capital of culture bid because of Brexit! Tories should hang their heads in shame!

This eliding Brexit and the Tories/Unionists didn't go down all that well in the run up to the election. It was a fair point, is it starting to hit home now?

[Guy Profumo]

In response to: "It's always been a requirement to be a member state. "

Ok.

How about "I don't know"?

[Nefertiti2]

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[Lang Spoon]

It's not really a decision though. It's what the law says, and has done since 2014.

Had the UK govt confirmed no EEA type thing at the time the cities started applying? Mibees some folk in Dundee Yes City Council were over optimistic about IndyRef2 happening before 2019 as well. Dunno what the fuck Leeds were playing at but.

[Lang Spoon]

Don’t they share out the awards with more than one city each year now? Kind of reduces the cache and the likely income generated compared to Glasgow and Madrid back in the day.

[Lucy Waterman]

What were they thinking, though? Unless they were being explicitly told by central government to bid anyway

Amazingly, they were.

In December 2016, the UK government said the competition would "run as normal", but did warn bidders that it "may be subject to" the Brexit negotiations.

Though that is from the Andrew Neil-run Brexiteer Broadcasting Corporation.

[Nefertiti2]

Stupif thing to say.

Andrew Neil doesn't run the BBC. He is though pretty influential in its onscreen politics programming . He is pro Brexit . He chairs a right-wing pro Brexit political magazine. a number of writers from the magazine are guests on his show,

,His editor Robbie Gibb in charge of all Bbc political programmes left the BBC to run all Conservative Party Media.

He got the job in competition with the BBC Diplomatic correspondent. Other senior BBC figures mostly old white male journalists have made their anti European opinions known, especially John Humphrys who writes regularly for the pro Brexit Daily Mail. There are some very good journalists at the BBC but a pre Brexit pro Conservative clique has become very powerful and have increasingly favoured the Conservatives- as repeated analyses have shown.

[Fussbudget]

Milton Keynes, though. Talk about optimistic.

[ad hoc]

Turkey is an accession country. They're included (as are EEA etc countries). They can also access a lot of European commission project funding

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Christ. That isn't Ireland's position. It was a suggestion, in the absence of anything at all from the UK other than handwaving about technology, on reconciling the commitment of both sides to avoid a hard border with the UK's "hardline approach" that it is leaving the customs union. If the UK or the Spectator has a problem with that, maybe it shouldn't have committed to leaving the customs union while avoiding a hard border. I guess the Spectator could just come out for abandoning the Good Friday Agreement.

Actually GY, it basically is the Irish govts position at this stage. they've given up waiting for the UK to come up with some way around leaving the customs union, but not having any customs, and in the absence of literally anything from the UK this is our position. A big part of including it right at the beginning in the "Things to sort out before you go" phase of talks, is to give the UK time to come up with something.

And yes it's true that four times as much of Northern Ireland's exports go to the UK as go to the republic, but you are talking about a fucking tiny amount of money either way as these things go. if those figures are accurate in 2016 NI export £2,3 bn to the republic and 9.bn to the UK. (there's another 4.5 bn to various other countries. That's really not a lot. That's a little under £10,000 per head, which ridiculously low. The other thing as a lump sum it's also fucking tiny. The republic exports that much in a month.

The thing to remember about this is that all of these figures could be radically changed by the movement of a couple of agri business plants south of the border. for instance, the movement of the primary baileys manufacturing from North to south would have the impact of blowing a huge hole in A) the total that the north exports b) the share of exports heading to England, which would be replaced with c) milk moving from north to south, which would increase the share of exports going to the republic.

[Nefertiti2]

The Uk could of course have guaranteed the Capital of Culture funding regardless and used it as a showcase for all the new digital/cultural industries to love bomb Europe and make a significant commitment to staying close culturally.

They didn't.

and as the Independent's Jon Stone has just pointed out on Twitter- he's been very good I think- What does this mean for Erasmus?

[Diable Rouge]

Rather than trying to keep Alliance on board in the future NI economic dispensation, unionists are, unsurprisingly, attacking them as "crypto-nationalists":

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opi...-1-8258640/amp

[Lang Spoon]

Real Prods only look East. Those quisling bastards in Alliance, how dare they?

Is the PUP still a thing? Would be interesting to hear the Marxist Orangeman take on this bollocks.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The Uk could of course have guaranteed the Capital of Culture funding regardless and used it as a showcase for all the new digital/cultural industries to love bomb Europe and make a significant commitment to staying close culturally.

They didn't.

and as the Independent's Jon Stone has just pointed out on Twitter- he's been very good I think- What does this mean for Erasmus?

Would that have made any difference?

City of Culture is important soft power, way beyond the money. Why should they have given us houseroom?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

His latest tweet reveals a lot about him. this cunt was the head of the Conservative party's political campaigns in NI until 2015

This is how you turn economic unionists into Economic nationalists.

[Lang Spoon]

Milton Keynes, though. Talk about optimistic.

Yep, its Cultural significance is what, standing in for “Metropolis” in Superman IV?

Feel sorry for Dundee though, even if the new V&A is another pathetic Iconic waterfront Building= instant regeneration! (Something that has barely occurred in Bilbao with its Gehry silliness, let alone its million copyists) ala fucking Bilbao. They are trying and the city does have a buzz way beyond its small size. The opposite of Aberdeen, which squandered its now mostly gone wealth on pig ugly exurban business units and shit shopping centres eating the main drag. And has no culture at al at all. Fuck sake its main University has no Student Union anymore even. Sold it for retail/“luxury flats”.