Trump's Card

[San Bernardhinault]

I also can't work out how "business income" and "non-corporate business" are different, so I'm clearly being an idiot today./

[ursus arctos]

Non-corporate business income refers to income from a pass through vehicle such as an LLC

I share GYs bewilderment as to how they got their rate so low to start with.

[Ginger Yellow]

I can only imagine there's some weird double counting going on, so that for instance corporate tax on the business/pass-through income isn't being counted on the before side, but the changes to those are being counted after.

[ursus arctos]

It would be sadly typical of the entire process if in concocting the least plausible, most favourable example possible, they screwed up basic maths.

[Flynnie]

https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...of-35-percent/

35% approval with CNN. If the blue collar base clock what's happened with the tax cuts, he could be in Paul Hardcastle territory.

Trump's approval rating in the Rust Belt states have flipped by about 20-30 points since he took office. I think the Obama-to-Trump voters have long, long since bailed.

[Incandenza]

Dianne Feinstein had a tweet in opposition to the tax plan that isn't much better when it comes to logic or understanding what economically insecure people are worrying about:

https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/942454012711964673

[Hot Pepsi]

Trump's approval rating in the Rust Belt states have flipped by about 20-30 points since he took office. I think the Obama-to-Trump voters have long, long since bailed.

The guy who did that "19" song?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Inca, I'm just amazed that an 84 year old can tweet

[San Bernardhinault]

That Feinstein tweet is pretty terrible. First, worrying about people who are buying the mean-priced house. And second, worrying about the pitifully small interest deduction on the $5000 for people who buy a house for $755k. I increasingly understand why Democrats are thinking she's a bit out of touch and useless.

[San Bernardhinault]

Non-corporate business income refers to income from a pass through vehicle such as an LLC

Then what does "business income" refer to? Do we have a family earning $60k a year with shareholdings that bring in $25k in divvies?

[Ginger Yellow]

Speaking of dodgy financial statements by senators...

[Tubby Isaacs]

The guy who did that "19" song?

N-n-n-n-Nineteen, yeah.

We also had a parody over here about cricket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bl4xaFZMM

Probably not a hit in America.

Like the idea of a Trump parody.

In 1918, the US president's approval rating was 55
In 2018, it was n-n-n-n-Nineteen.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Trump's approval rating in the Rust Belt states have flipped by about 20-30 points since he took office. I think the Obama-to-Trump voters have long, long since bailed.

Populism, eh!

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

That Feinstein tweet is pretty terrible. First, worrying about people who are buying the mean-priced house. And second, worrying about the pitifully small interest deduction on the $5000 for people who buy a house for $755k. I increasingly understand why Democrats are thinking she's a bit out of touch and useless.

she is old enough to remember Roosevelt's fireside chats. She was 36 when Neil armstrong walked on the moon. She was 9 years old when Barrack Obama's mother was born. She is the same age as Michael Heseltine, and older than Johnny Haynes. What do people expect?

[Amor de Cosmos]

How can that be? On her twitter page photo she looks about forty.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

she was 40 during the first oil crisis.

Of course senators are out of touch. Nearly one if five of them are too old to be baby boomers.

[Amor de Cosmos]

The finish line for running for public office should end at sixty, maybe even a couple of years sooner. You've got no business planning your grandkids' world for them.

[Lang Spoon]

But but, the experience they’ll bring!

[Amor de Cosmos]

Sure that's valid, but you don't need to hold elected office to offer experience, knowledge or wisdom. There are loads of other ways.

[Lang Spoon]

Yeah, I think it’s mostly a crock of shit as well. Please tell me Sanders won’t run in 2020. It’ll be a terrible comment on the paucity of talent in the Dems, and “the left” in general.

[Hot Pepsi]

Sure that's valid, but you don't need to hold elected office to offer experience, knowledge or wisdom. There are loads of other ways.

That, plus that "experience" brings as much bad as good, because it includes old favors to be paid off to lobbyists, old grudges, and old ideas whose time has past.

Besides, as we've found out recently, the various "traditions" and "norms" of congress don't count for anything any more and will have to be ensconced into law if they're to be kept. So the wisdom and "civility" that's supposed to come with experience - and perhaps used to - doesn't count for much in Trumpistan.

Besides, the important "institutional knowledge" that keeps the government running comes as much from advisers, legislative staff, and most importantly, the non-political staff of the agencies, as it does from the legislators themselves. Both sides like to demonize "unelected bureaucrats," but anyone whose had much real contact with government knows that they're the ones who really do all the real work and know which ideas work and which don't. Both sides like to defer to the opinion of military personnel - at least when it suits their interest - but politicians rarely given any respect whatsoever to the people who do equivalent jobs in all the non-DOD departments and agencies.

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

There must be at least one "new Obama" the Dems can launch in 2020. There's one very fucking obvious one staring us in the face and she's even got the name.

[Lang Spoon]

It sounds like you’d have to rewrite her brain before she’d agree to stand for public office but. I’m just terrified the idiot Dems are really going to angle Chelsea for the Senate or good Christ no the VP ticket.

[Tubby Isaacs]

O'Malley seems to be going for it. I wanted him last time.

[Lang Spoon]

Michelle is a great fantasy but Dynasties aren’t really a good idea. And I’d say folk are sick of them. Look at Jeb! In the Primaries, and the way Hillary depressed the Dem vote with key demographics. She’d win a lot of them back to the polling booth cause apart from her skin colour she’d just be a fantastic non compromised candidate, but then there’s the racism among “Independents”. And more importantly (cause it will be a legitimate as oppposed to shady whispered Repub attack line) the dynasty making smell.