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    Trump will not be addressing the UK Parliament anytime soon, I would guess. May has to somehow try to speak past him to the sane rump of the GOP. Could it become an election issue - Corbyn gets votes by being more aggressively anti-Trump?

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      Vince Cable has put down an anti Trump marker by calling him an evil racist. For once I agree with him.

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        Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
        She's a Turkish Cypriot Muslim who's decried...
        Great Freudian typo.

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          Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
          Great Freudian typo.
          Fucking predictive text. Meant to be decided but I'll stick with the Freudian predictive text and its decision.

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            The BBC have decided to respond to Trump's retweeting of Britain First (the group supported by the Person who murdered a British MP) by giving airtime to them,. And Ann Coulter. And Sebastian Gorka.

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              We'll trade you Ann Coulter for that hateful apple-doll who the DM is letting go. Katie something...

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                Nick Robinson, not the sharpest tool in the box:

                @bbcnickrobinson
                One lesson of Trump tweet = careful what you like & share on social media. You may be giving racists & extremists the publicity they crave 1/2

                @bbcnickrobinson
                For those criticising @BBCr4today for interviewing @AnnCoulter - we did so to reveal & explain & scrutinise the source of the Trump tweet 2/2
                Don't give free publicity to racists! Give free publicity to racists!

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                  Originally posted by antoine polus View Post
                  The Dutch embassy in the USA has put a thing on Twitter about how one of the "immigrants" in the retweeted videos is actually a Dutch born and raised Dutch citizen.

                  Successive Dutch governments for the last 15 years have been calling these people "immigrants" or "allochtonen" and making them the butt of political debate, but when it comes to one upping Donald Trump in the international media, these people are suddenly referred to as Dutch citizens.
                  Thoughts akin to that crossed my mind when I read it, but I think if it adds fuel to the overall condemnation, we'll take it.

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                    Originally posted by antoine polus View Post
                    Nick Robinson, not the sharpest tool in the box:



                    Don't give free publicity to racists! Give free publicity to racists!
                    The only slight justification is maybe that Coulter will sound batshit unhinged to a Radio 4 audience and thus damage the message. But the wider concern is surely that, by interviewing her, she now has a precedent for becoming perceived as having a legitimate seat on the platform. Normalizing fascism as an unintended consequence of trying to ridicule it.

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                      Wrong thread.

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                        Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                        I get that. I'm just surprised that they choose to close the notional deficit with tax rises, rather than cuts.
                        It looks like you might have been right. They're going to put the trigger in to appease Corker. But now - because they Republican donors don't want their tax cuts to be at risk, claiming that this would prevent them from investing (ha! ha! ha!), and because the individual tax cuts expire almost immediately - they've started talking about cutting discretionary spending rather than removing the tax cuts, to be the trigger. It's diabolical, and is also Paul Ryan's wet dream. Either his fantasy economics miraculously works, or he gets massive destruction of the social safety net.

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                          It’s Kansas all over again.

                          BTW, the NYT is reporting that the administration is about to pull the trigger on Tillerson, with Anti-Muslim zealot Pompeo taking over, and Tom Cotton taking over the CIA.

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                            Implications for anything Mueller / investigation-wise?

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                              Other than a diversion, I wouldn’t expect there to be a major impact.

                              The major Mueller storyline at the moment is the increasing likelihood that Flynn is going to take a plea.

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                                Shit, wasn't Tillerson the main semi-sane guy trying to calm the North Korea situation?

                                The way things are going, we are going to see a coup at some point.

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                                  I don't think anyone even trump wants to attack North Korea because they all really really want to bomb Iran. North Korea is just getting in their way

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                                    Tillerson was a relative voice of reason on North Korea, but I think that all of the generals are on the same page in that regard.

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                                      Tillerson's not actively insane, but he has been immensely useless - he seems to have spent his time "streamlining" the state department, as if it having no diplomats would make it leaner and more efficient and more profitable; he seems entirely unaware of the fact that running foreign policy isn't the same as trying to make more profit on the oil a subcontractor is drilling out of the ground.

                                      The interesting question is about the supposed suicide pact that Tillerson has with Mnuchin and Kelly.

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                                        Cotton to CIA is interesting because it opens up another Republican senate seat for them to defend in 2018. Still in a deeply red state, but Arkansas has elected the occasional democrat statewide (and, of course, long in the past elected Clinton), and had Democrats had the governorship from 2007-2015...

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                                          I never really believed in the suicide pact, but I can see Mnuchin taking off once he gets his tax cuts. He hasn’t really been helping (other than as a diversion).

                                          Agreed on Arkansas. I have no clue who Hutchinson might appoint.

                                          The fact that Blankenship announced that he’s running for the West Virginia Senate seat a few days out of getting out of federal prison for conspiracy related to the state’s worst mine disaster in years (29 dead) speaks volumes about current Republican politics.

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                                            The question that keeps nagging me about the various tax "reform" plans is this: Do the Republicans actually believe their magic economics, in the face of all evidence. Do they actually think that the economy will grow like crazy and poor people will become rich and government receipts will stay high, if businesses pay no tax?

                                            I mean, are they really that stupid?

                                            Or are they just cynical, and they actually know that it's all total bullshit, but they don't care and are perfectly happy with fucking the economy provided their friends and donors pay less tax. Do they know that they're just using the language of Laffer and Trickle Down as a fig leaf.

                                            I assume it's the latter, what with the reports that Mnuchin never even modelled the consequences of the tax cuts, presumably knowing how damaging the information would be if it got out. But every now and then you hear talk of Paul Ryan and others being true believers...

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                                              Probably a similar distribution as the Tories under Thatcher: not that many True Believers, a few motivated by hatred of the working class but most are just pigs in the trough, waiting for payoffs such as company directorships.

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                                                Do Team Moore have a problem here?

                                                http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index....art_river_home

                                                One of the ministers who serves a Theodore church where Roy Moore spoke Wednesday night was federally convicted of trying to block an investigation involving claims his son molested children in Honduras.

                                                Rev. Bill Atkinson led the music portion of the Moore event at the Magnolia Springs Baptist Church, where the U.S. Senate candidate spoke for over 20 minutes and was interrupted twice by people in the audience.

                                                In 2012, Atkinson was found guilty of obstruction and conspiracy for ordering two of his children to destroy a hard drive of a digital video recorder, which held evidence that incriminated his son for child molestation.

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                                                  Originally posted by Mr Beast View Post
                                                  Vince Cable has put down an anti Trump marker by calling him an evil racist. For once I agree with him.
                                                  This is actually quite a big deal. The Liberals might have few seats but they are still viewed as a mainstream national party. I would however like him to say it in a more formal context than a tweet, such as a TV debate.

                                                  Did any British politician call Hitler an evil racist before 1938? Even Churchill?

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                                                    "Racist" wasn't really a term back then. "Racialist" perhaps, but it was widely accepted that everyone from anywhere else was fair game for being discriminated against somehow. Liberals were the people who only did it verbally, mainly by making jokes about the "others."

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