So, how did you vote?

[Nefertiti2]

So, how did you vote?

San Bernardhinault wrote: Christ, is there any part of the (parliamentary) Labour Party who aren't arsehole, idiots or both on this?

Thats an old article.

Clive Lewis seems OK. Catherine West. Diane Abbott

otherwise `i'm struggling

[GCostanza]

So, how did you vote?

Hmm, whenever you ask certain people (not just on here), who 'should' replace Corbyn, they go strangely quiet.

We all know his blind spots, but unless Labour comes a poor third in the next (or any) 'safe' byelection(s) he's going to remain in situ.
A bit more universal short-term backing might help.
'Things can only get better', and all that?

Much as I'd love him to fight Brexit tooth & nail, even if he wanted to, can you imagine how the MSM would now project this? More evidence of being 'anti-British' etc.
Despite There's a May being a completely abject dud about the whole thing.

[Tubby Isaacs]

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E10 Rifle wrote: Owen Smith on immigration

Or too many available workers bring down wage rates. The evidence for that happening is very weak, and politicians shouldn't go there.

But here's Corbyn. Immigrants enable employers to make your pay shit.

My point is that employers, particularly the construction industry others as well, recruit overseas in order to bring in the whole group of workers to destroy existing wages and working conditions, so Mike Ashley can bring in workers in Sports Direct to pay grotesquely low wages and appalling work conditions."

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Nefertiti2 wrote:

Christ, is there any part of the (parliamentary) Labour Party who aren't arsehole, idiots or both on this?

Thats an old article.

Clive Lewis seems OK. Catherine West. Diane Abbott

otherwise `i'm struggling

Abbott knew all about the huge efforts being made to improve London schools, but sent her kid private with some bollocks about him being at risk of gangs. That pissed all over lots of people.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/carwyn-jones-leanne-wood-unveil-12487836

Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood are about to unveil their own alternative Brexit plan

Theresa May’s proposal to leave the Single Market would be disastrous for the Welsh economy, they argue

Welsh Labour coming to life, by the look of it. There are 25 MPs in Wales, and you'd hope a chunk of them backed Jones here.

[Lang Spoon]

So, how did you vote?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/carwyn-jones-leanne-wood-unveil-12487836

Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood are about to unveil their own alternative Brexit plan

Theresa May’s proposal to leave the Single Market would be disastrous for the Welsh economy, they argue

Welsh Labour coming to life, by the look of it. There are 25 MPs in Wales, and you'd hope a chunk of them backed Jones here.

Jesus, imagine if SLab had half the strategic sense of presenting a united front against Hard Brexit.

[GCostanza]

So, how did you vote?

How would that be better than the SNP stance though?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: Immigrants enable employers to make your pay shit.

My point is that employers, particularly the construction industry others as well, recruit overseas in order to bring in the whole group of workers to destroy existing wages and working conditions, so Mike Ashley can bring in workers in Sports Direct to pay grotesquely low wages and appalling work conditions."

Unfortunately that's a pretty common attitude amongst the construction industry and has been for years, which is why so many naively voted for Brexit...

[Lang Spoon]

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Well I don't care what they do really, but I think it would be better for them (and for Scotland) long term to back the SNP on Europe proposals robustly rather than their mealy mouthed bollocks so far.

It's up to them if they want to complete the slide to irrelevance due to the National Question really, but they are natural partners to the Nats on this and so much more, if they would swallow their bile and accept their present situation. But there they are making noises to the Tories they apparently hate who are eating up their two car and a garage vote.

[Tubby Isaacs]

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Maybe McDonnell and Katy Clark will show up and tell Scotland what a great opportunity Brexit is, to get away from capitalism. Maybe they can nationalize Scotrail a year earlier, or something.

Not that it did them any good, but Dugdale's tax raising plan looks ahead of the indy game.

In other news:

Backing MPs having final say on Brexit could save Labour 22 seats, poll suggests

ICM has also been conducting polling for Represent Us, a group campaigning for parliament to have the final say on whether or not the UK leaves the EU once the final Brexit deal is known.

The Represent Us poll focused on a sample of 1,343 voters in Labour seats (not just Labour supporters - a representative sample of all voters in those seats) and it asked how people would vote if both Labour and the Lib Dems called for parliament to have the final say on Brexit, while the Tories and Ukip promised to implement it anyway. Another question then asked how people would vote if Labour said it would implement Brexit anyway, like the Tories and Ukip, and only the Lib Dems said they would give parliament the final say.

According to Represent Us, which took the poll findings, compared them to current voting intentions, and then calculated what impact this would have on seats.

Here is an extract from the Represent Us news release.

Last week Theresa May said parliament would have a vote on the EU exit terms – but the choice would be between accepting the terms and leaving on WTO terms. An ICM poll conducted this weekend across Labour constituencies shows that the party would be 22 seats better off in a 2017 election if it supported parliament also having the option of the UK remaining within the EU.

If Labour opposes the government and calls for parliament to have a choice between accepting the deal and remaining in the EU, it would end up with 162 seats (compared to the 175 currently projected). However, if it just supports the government it would end up with 140 seats (both scenarios assume the Lib Dems call for parliamentary choice). In the first scenario Labour’s share of the vote falls 3% from the currently projected share of 44% in Labour constituencies to 41%; but if it supports the government its share falls 8% from 44% to 36%, with the Lib Dems gaining a similar amount.

One explanation of these figures is that Labour has already lost the support of many potential UKIP voters – but an estimated 18% of its current supporters voted Lib Dem in 2010 and this poll suggests many of them will desert Labour if it supports the government.

I'm surprised that backing a second referendum now will help electoral prospects- shows really how far they've fallen if something backed by 26% is an ace. But one for the future. Backbench kiteflyers, take note.

[Diable Rouge]

So, how did you vote?

Reports the Tories will only make a token effort in Stoke, the better to ensure Nuttall's election.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

I heard that.

I think that's a mistake. UKIP have basically taken over the Tory Party, but they are still poisonous to lots of people who vote Tory. They're effectively backing Nuttall on the NHS.

Vote May, Get Nuttall?

[Tubby Isaacs]

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Crikey. Ian Murray supposed to be voting against triggering Article 50.

[E10 Rifle]

So, how did you vote?

Supreme Court rules government must bung it all before parliament.

Good, and expected. So Nige will be getting his People's Army ready right now.

[Ginger Yellow]

So, how did you vote?

And, secondarily, NI can't veto.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

And the Leader of the Opposition can't oppose.

[Ginger Yellow]

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Where's that in the judgment?

[Nocturnal Submission]

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Good campaigning material for UKIP in the Stoke by-election: "Southern elites screwing us over again."

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

IDS reckons the judgement which just said Parliament decides is an attack on Parliament.

The opportunity passed up by the Opposition in defending the rule of law and being proved right is breathtaking.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

So, how did you vote?

Ireland to start openly pitching for UK companies.

I can't help feeling that this is going to piss a lot of people off in the UK, but what the hell are we supposed to do?

[Ginger Yellow]

So, how did you vote?

Pennycook on Labour's amendments:

1) That a detailed Government plan for Brexit is published before Article 50 is triggered, along with robust impact assessments.

2) That the Govt stick to a number of key principles throughout negotiations, including securing barrier-free access to the single market.

3) That the legal status of EU citizens in the UK is resolved before negotiations begin.

4) That there is robust and regular Parliamentary scrutiny throughout the Brexit negotiations.

5) That there is a meaningful vote in Parliament on the exit settlement – to be held before Govt agrees the final deal with the Commission.

Not anwering questions on whether he'd vote against if they're not included.

[GCostanza]

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Nocturnal Submission wrote: Good campaigning material for UKIP in the Stoke by-election: "Southern elites screwing us over again."

As opposed to voting for privatisation of the NHS. And the parliamentary sovereignty they voted for to take precedence over the EU, taking, er, precedence over an advisory referendum.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

Owen Smith voting against. Don't laugh when I say this, but he's probably the main man among Welsh Labour MPs. If he and Carwyn Jones are solid, they could get the numbers up and force a front bench rethink. And make Kinnock Jnr look stupid too.

[johnr]

So, how did you vote?

I think that this guy's first two reasons for Labour supporting Article 50 are bollocks, but the third has some merit.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So, how did you vote?

The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote: Ireland to start openly pitching for UK companies.

I can't help feeling that this is going to piss a lot of people off in the UK, but what the hell are we supposed to do?

Respect the will of the people.

[Nocturnal Submission]

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GCostanza wrote:

Good campaigning material for UKIP in the Stoke by-election: "Southern elites screwing us over again."

As opposed to voting for privatisation of the NHS. And the parliamentary sovereignty they voted for to take precedence over the EU, taking, er, precedence over an advisory referendum.

Oh, I quite agree, but that's not the way the decision will be spun and that's not the way the electorate will receive it.