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    Have you come far right?

    To be honest, I would have been astonished if it had turned out that the Windsors and their assorted hangers on hadn't been goosestepping all around their palaces throughout the 1930's.

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    I'm assuming that's front page of the Sun I just saw in the shop. I picked it up and found another stunna on the third page, it's not actually surprising, but it's still pretty shocking.

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      #3
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      I suppose only the Sun could get away with publishing this photo.

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        So the Queen used to mess about giving the Hitler salute at the age of seven. As indeed have most of us. Hardly news is it?

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          #5
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          Who can honestly say there isn't family video of them with their favourite Nazi uncle giving a Nazi salute?

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            Can you not think of one slight difference about doing it in the 1930s, Paul?

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              Paul S wrote: So the Queen used to mess about giving the Hitler salute at the age of seven. As indeed have most of us. Hardly news is it?
              Coffee/keyboard.

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                Paul, it doesn't count unless you do the finger under your nose thing.

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                    #10
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                    It's not in the same league as this is it?

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                      Look! Look! Over there!

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                        #12
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                        All Buckingham Palace has to do is to tweet #topbantz

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                          #13
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                          Paul S wrote: It's not in the same league as this is it?

                          You're right,the Windsors giving the straight arm is in a different league.We have the pinnacle of the British ruling classes in the shape of a future king and two future queens giving the Nazi salute in comparison to a group of footballers told to.

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                            The Queen Mother doing it is far more disturbing, frankly. She didn't have the excuse of being a stupid child.

                            Mind you, should we really be surprised at a family of German stock performing the Nazi salute at a time when they had just risen to power in a country still recovering from WWI and various financial crises?

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                              Three Times A Reddy wrote: The Queen Mother doing it is far more disturbing, frankly. She didn't have the excuse of being a stupid child.
                              Exactly. Only a stupid child would do something like that.

                              When I was seven, I'd have thought long and hard about the implications of such an action and what kind of message that would send out seventy years later.

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                                This was 1933. There was a reasonable level of expectation at the time that Britain was going the same way as Germany. The Royals were doubtless practising what they would be expected to do to salute their new leaders, in the event of them going the same way as cousin Wilhelm, if they wanted to keep their castles (and their heads).

                                Uncle Eddie, after abdicating, was hardly shy about his support for the Nazis.

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                                  Surprised the Daily Mail didn't find this out. After all, they virtually sponsored the ideology way back in the '30s and probably would've printed it with the headline 'God Bless You, Ma'am!'.

                                  That said, the characteristics of some Tory papers suggest most of them wouldn't mind some sort of reich to keep the lower orders in check. Power-crazed megalomaniac overseeing a corrupt cabal with dodgy political motives? Hello, Rupe.

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                                    A Palace source said: "Most people will see these pictures in their proper context and time. This is a family playing and momentarily referencing a gesture many would have seen from contemporary news reels.

                                    "No one at that time had any sense how it would evolve. To imply anything else is misleading and dishonest."
                                    No, Buckingham Palace, how could anyone know that this Hitler fellow might turn out to be a baddie further down the line. He gave no hint of being a bad guy. Mein Kampf? Mein Schwampf.

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                                      There is a significant amount of post hoc reasoning attributed to Britain's view of the Nazis. Until they stuck two fingers up to us and invaded Poland, I don't think we had any significant problem with Hitler's rule in Germany on ideological grounds. We sent our Prime Minister over to hold talks with him, FFS. It was Communism that was viewed as the very real threat. And still would be, really, even after the inconvenience of WW2, hence McCarthyism and the Cold War in the 50s/60s.

                                      It's worth remembering that we didn't go to war with Germany to protect democracy, or freedom, let alone the Jews, or any else of that bollocks attributed to the cause nowadays. We went to war with Germany because they were, just like 25 years earlier, threatening to build an Empire in Europe that would pose a direct threat to our own Empire, and by extension to the British ruling classes themselves.

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                                        G-Man wrote:
                                        No, Buckingham Palace, how could anyone know that this Hitler fellow might turn out to be a baddie further down the line. He gave no hint of being a bad guy. Mein Kampf? Mein Schwampf.
                                        Especially not Nazi uncle Eddie, how could he have had any idea how his Nazi mates would turn out?

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                                          #21
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                                          In October 1937, Edward and his wife - by now the Duke and Duchess of Windsor - visited Nazi Germany
                                          During the controversial visit they met Hitler, dined with his deputy, Rudolf Hess, and went to a concentration camp
                                          ...which was nice.

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                                            I don't understand why the Palace would run with "no-one knew what Hitler was like in 1933" when that's contradicted by all the evidence. Just a stupid line of argument.

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                                              #23
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                                              Sir Stafford Cripps, Hansard, March 1933

                                              "Germany, believed to be one of the most stable countries in Europe, has, temporarily we hope, gone mad. The Jews are being hounded and persecuted as they were in the Middle Ages, and Socialists and Catholics are being treated equally badly."

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                                                BLT, the point you're missing is that everyone here recognized the points being made, there, but no-one saw too much wrong with them.

                                                Substitute the words "benefits claimants", "gypsies" and "immigrants" into Sir Stafford Cripps' statement, there, to imagine how the Daily Mail would react to it even today.

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                                                  Rogin the Armchair Fan wrote: BLT, the point you're missing is that everyone here recognized the points being made, there, but no-one saw too much wrong with them.

                                                  Substitute the words "benefits claimants", "gypsies" and "immigrants" into Sir Stafford Cripps' statement, there, to imagine how the Daily Mail would react to it even today.
                                                  Just been reading lots of Hansard from the 1933. Much handwringing about Hitler and Nazis and the persecution of Jews, some overt antisemitism, only one, swiftly defeated, proposal to actually do anything about it to extend British nationality to Jewish refugees (brought, incidentally, by my favourite 1930s parliamentarian - Commander Oliver Locker Lampson)

                                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Locker-Lampson

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