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    #76
    Personally, I think the numbers above are very hopeful. The main thing that non-racists need to do is just keep carrying on. If we keep welcoming non-White British people into our lives and communities and treating them well so that they want to stay, if we keep falling in love with non-White British people and having children with them, if we keep teaching our children not to be racist, then we're moving in the right direction. If enough of the racists die off or emigrate, the UK might eventually have a more diverse and inclusive population.

    Before anyone accuses me of ageism, there are obviously non-racist old people and racist young people, but the average proportions are different.

    And work still needs to be done to combat the vile rhetoric of Braverman and others, as that can lead in very worrying directions.

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      #77
      Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
      Why the fuck hasn't a Dept handling top secret documents turned DLP on?
      I have not worked on the Home office account since I went into do a workshop on Exchange 2013 almost a decade ago, but I will assume they have a DLP solution in place. I would also ask why they do not Information Protection in place that allows them to control documents that have been sent out of the environment (to stop the recipient forwarding and printing the document for example).

      But government departments are notorious at running old tech which is why they are constantly hacked.

      Technically speaking Braverman's excuse seems dubious, you are a senior government minister, why would you be travelling around without your government laptop and phone. You run around in a government car with a permanent security escort. It's not like you have to get the bus and train around and fear getting mugged by some of these nasty Albanian migrants you have warned us about
      Last edited by Tactical Genius; 01-11-2022, 09:49.

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        #78
        I also strongly believe the Albanian invasion nonsense is a diversion to stop people talking about her multiple security breach.

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          #79
          Number of refugees hosted by selected countries:

          2022 data

          Turkey 3.7 million
          Colombia 2.5 million
          Germany 2.2 million
          Pakistan 1.5 million
          Uganda 1.5 million
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          France 455,295 (end 2020 data)
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          UK 223,369 (mid-2021 data, being extremely generous and including all refugees, asylum seekers and stateless persons in the UK at that time)
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            #80
            Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post
            I also strongly believe the Albanian invasion nonsense is a diversion to stop people talking about her multiple security breach.
            And a fucked economy.

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              #81
              The huge elephant in the Tory room is who is paying these purported Albanian migrants. Because despite what Dave from Sittingbourne thinks he's read in the Daily Mail, they're not claiming benefits. They're coming here to work. Outside the tax system, obviously. There are two main industries quite happy to employ gangs of young men on a cash-in-hand basis: construction and agriculture. Who do builders and farmers tend to vote for? Hmm.
              Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 01-11-2022, 10:42.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Balderdasha View Post

                40,000 people is clearly not a lot. It's not about the numbers. It's about pure racism.

                Because for people who talk about "being overwhelmed", they're not just talking about the 40,000 people who come into the country each year on boats. They're talking about anyone who isn't white who is born in this country, lives in this country or moves to this country. Those numbers are increasing and that's what terrifies them.

                In 2019 (last year I could find data for) there were 262,071 births in the UK where the ethnicity recorded was something other than White British. That was nearly 41% of total births. To a racist, that is extremely scary. That means their children and/or grandchildren will have more non-White British classmates. Hell, their grandchildren might even end up being non-white as mixed race is the fastest growing group of new births in the UK (up from 26,254 in 2007 to 41,918, or 6.5% of all births in 2019). It means they'll have to interact with more non-white people in their public and personal lives.

                The fact that immigration and non-white births are both completely essential for boomer pensions being paid does not compute.

                White British people have a birth rate of about 1.5 per 1,000 women, which is well below replacement level. The UK's population grew by 227,897 in the last year. Total net migration to the UK (immigration minus emigration) was 239,000 in 2021. If we didn't have immigration and non-white births, the population of the UK would currently be falling dramatically, leaving no-one to staff essential services and pay tax.
                Yeah I agree with all this.

                I guess it's just a "big number" to scare their lizard brane voters. Because lizard branes don't function with "big numbers".

                40,000 is less than half a full Wembley stadium. It's less than a third of the number of Mcdonalds employees in the UK. There are more than 40,000 students enrolled in Cardiff's two universities.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post

                  And a fucked economy.
                  The fact we are talking about this and not the economy is exactly what Sunak wants, but I don't see this story spinning out for two years unless they find a Braverman clone after she quits, which must be soon.

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                    #84
                    BBC Breakfast TV this morning talking about less crossings for the next few days due to the weather suggesting that the "problem" may easy somewhat, which is itself a racist framing.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
                      The huge elephant in the Tory room is who is paying these purported Albanian migrants. Because despite what Dave from Sittingbourne thinks he's read in the Daily Mail, they're not claiming benefits. They're coming here to work. Outside the tax system, obviously. There are two main industries quite happy to employ gangs of young men on a cash-in-hand basis: construction and agriculture. Who do builders and farmers tend to vote for? Hmm.
                      And the women are forced into prostitution after being trafficked here like the men.

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                        #86
                        TG, thanks for that post, interesting.

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                          #87
                          Each Day The Tories get closer and closer to handing out milkbottles and petrol to their supporters

                          https://twitter.com/martin_oneill/status/1587445811369107456?s=20&t=3wzYV66J21a6UdtJsmxn7g

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post

                            Yeah I agree with all this.

                            I guess it's just a "big number" to scare their lizard brane voters. Because lizard branes don't function with "big numbers".

                            40,000 is less than half a full Wembley stadium. It's less than a third of the number of Mcdonalds employees in the UK. There are more than 40,000 students enrolled in Cardiff's two universities.
                            It's difficult find exact numbers but there appears to be about 43000 towns and villages in the UK, so pretty much one person for each.

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                              #89
                              More likely that that function will be outsourced to a firm with "connections"

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Uncle Ethan View Post

                                Nah, the money is the point. As with Australia's system there are "companies" making incredible amounts of money out of these policies. One that got a multi-million dollar contract for this in Australia was a shell company whose offices were actually a shed. As soon as the Tories got people like Alexander Downer and Tony Abbott in as advisors the UK was always going to head down this path.

                                You are talking billions of dollars in profits across the world. This is why those involved don't want actual solutions. That would turn off the cash flow. Sadly there is also considerable political mileage to be made from appealing to racists in both the UK and Australia.
                                See this is a real chicken and egg situation. The way I'd look at it is that it is laughably easy for govts who want to transfer large sums of money to politically connected insiders if that is what they want to do. Thing is, you don't need to have a terrible policy on migrants to do it. It would seem to me that the main driver for something as extreme as this is telling people who don't know much about anything, that they are in danger of being swamped by outsiders and foreigners, and only a man biting a raw onion, or a man holding seventeen simultaneous ministerial portfolios, or whoever is in charge of the australian right wingers this week, can save you. That lights up the lizard brane and can make people who live in some of the least densely populated places on earth say "Nah, full up mate" ,

                                This racism to outsiders is pure electoral rocket fuel, and that you can set up an entirely privatised system brand new system to handle it, to funnel cash to your mates i think is just a really welcome bonus. I mean you could have a considerably less awful migration policy and use that to funnel money to your mates. However to come back to your perspective now that the migrant cruelty industrial complex is well established, it is bringing valuable jobs to extremely isolated communities blah blah cut and paste from the political play book of the privatised American prison system.

                                Either way its hard to tell at this point, and I don't know if it matters; because even if the primary function of the migration policy is cruelty rather than looting, the primary function of the cruelty is to distract from the looting on a higher level. It's quite the shit show.

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                                  #91
                                  Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                  Each Day The Tories get closer and closer to handing out milkbottles and petrol to their supporters
                                  The press seems to be trying to steer people more towards murdering refugees with sledgehammers

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                                    #92
                                    Originally posted by Tactical Genius View Post

                                    But government departments are notorious at running old tech which is why they are constantly hacked.
                                    Often because the Treasury has not given them enough money to upgrade and improve their infrastructure as well as delivering all the projects foisted upon them by ministers making policy changes without bothering to ask anyone if it's technically feasible to implement them.

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                                      #93
                                      Also I'm guessing Important People like Ministers refusing to have things like DLP/info protection apply to them. I'd wager the HO could monitor the docs leaving their 365 env but aren't allowed to block the breach for folk like her.

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                                        #94
                                        Whether the Very Important People want to or not, those security controls are in place.

                                        These particular Tories have a long and proud history of off the books communications, including the use of private email addresses, deletable Signal communications and private WhatsApp groups. The likes of Dominic Cummings used them extensively.

                                        I'm sure I saw something about this kicking off because Braverman kept sending the documents to a backbencher with close connections to the Kochs and messed the email address up.

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                                          #95
                                          She was sending them to John Hayes (the Koch-adjacent backbencher), then sent them to his wife, but instead sent them to a Parliamentary staff member with a similar name.

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                                            #96
                                            Obviously she shouldn’t be doing any of this. But she might argue that a Tory MP is theoretically a reasonable person to share info with and some useful idiots might buy that if they’re an MP they’re safe to receive confidential info. I don’t conceivably see how it’s reasonable to send anything to an MP’s spouse, though. And obviously doubly true if the minister is such an idiot that they send it to random people in their email system. I am amazed she’s survived this long.

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                                              #97
                                              That only happens in a pervasive environment of evasion (such as the one that Snake outlines well).

                                              I would bet a lot that the "reason" for sending it to Hayes' wife was that he told her that he didn't have his device with him (and couldn't be arsed to get it) but that his wife did.

                                              The other option is that he wanted a hard copy and that his wife knows how to connect to their home printer (but in that case it would be more likely that he would forward it to her himself).

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                                                #98
                                                Do we know her motive for sending the docs to Hayes? I'd guess its in return for donations/ cash.

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                                                  #99
                                                  The claim is that she wanted his advice on how she should react to the draft language

                                                  That isn't necessarily corrupt, but certainly could be

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                                                    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1587487665217277960?s=20&t=IE23szR9FkZQik_hY_nEQQ

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