Poll - Next Labour Party Leader

[E10 Rifle]

No one can ever win this "what Brexit stance would have won" argument, tbh. All would have lost votes somewhere and gained a few somewhere else. And the circumstances and mood music of 2019 were different to those of 2017, to Labour's disadvantage. None had the beguiling, dishonest simplicity of "Get Brexit done".

[Nefertiti2]

Especially with Laura Kuennsberg and Norman Smith on backing vocals

[Lucy Waterman]

But it wasn't the strategic thing to do to win votes. My basis for saying that is the results of the Euros, where Labour's previous policy saw them getting 13.7% of the poll.

[E10 Rifle]

Euro elections aren't much of a guide to general elections though. Never have been, and certainly weren't last year. Remind me how the party that topped the polls in the Euros did at the GE? How many seats did they win in December, standing on the exact same platform as in May?

[Duncan Gardner]

That's easy. They won 365

[Lucy Waterman]

Exactly. They became an informal coalition with the Tories.

E10, I accept that point to an extent. But it still doesn't answer the question of how it is clear that Labour would have done better sticking to their previous policy. Such information as we do have points to the opposite. And it was that information that forced Labour to make a change.

[E10 Rifle]

How did the LibDems get on?

[Lucy Waterman]

They fell of a cliff because a lot of their support went to Labour after the policy changed.

[Nefertiti2]

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[ad hoc]

https://twitter.com/TomLondon6/status/1217008155282100224

[pebblethefish]

They fell of a cliff because a lot of their support went to Labour after the policy changed.

In fairness they fell off a cliff because they were pretty rubbish in every way, were led by someone quite unbelievably hopeless (even when compared with the people she was up against) and seemed determined to alienate everyone who even thought about supporting to them. And yes, I did vote for them.

[Nefertiti2]

[URL]https://twitter.com/ta_mills/status/1217110682262495240?s=21[/URL]

[Lucy Waterman]

https://twitter.com/TomLondon6/status/1217008155282100224

Don't do it, Tom. You're playing into the Blairites' hands.

[Nefertiti2]

Of course in Tony Blair’s day antisemitism meant caricaturing and stereotyping Jews and it was unknown something Alistair Campbell made a bit of a habit of.

[URL]https://twitter.com/uncoolbob/status/1189161784172797953?s=21[/URL]


jess Phillips hiring Neil Kinnock’s daughter and Jack
Straw’s son.

straw got a CBE fr his work in losing the referendum

[URL]https://twitter.com/boulezian/status/1217131362915880963?s=21[/URL]

[Lucy Waterman]

Of course in Tony Blair’s day antisemitism meant caricaturing and stereotyping Jews and it was

unknown

something Alistair Campbell made a bit of a habit of.

Ah, the proud tradition of Labour leaders innocently failing to recognise large anti-Semitic images emblazoned on walls.

In both cases, the people involved denied malign intent, and are fervently believed by their supporters while everyone else says come off it.

[ad hoc]

Ah, the proud tradition of Labour leaders innocently failing to recognise large anti-Semitic images emblazoned on walls.

In both cases, the people involved denied malign intent, and are fervently believed by their supporters while everyone else says come off it.

And of course in both cases the vast majority of people are somewhere between the two ends of that continuum

[Lucy Waterman]

That’s fair, AH. And most people probably don’t give a toss or know about either.

[Benjm]

Jess Phillips hiring Neil Kinnock's daughter and Jack
Straw's son.

Straw got a CBE fr his work in losing the referendum

Straw Jr accepted his gong with some attempted deprecation about his girlfriend fancying a day out at the Palace, IMS. What an absolute arsehole. Both sides had their share of people to whom it was all just a game.

[Lucy Waterman]

He also lost a marginal seat. Laughable award.

[Nefertiti2]

Ah, the proud tradition of Labour leaders innocently failing to recognise large anti-Semitic images emblazoned on walls.

In both cases, the people involved denied malign intent, and are fervently believed by their supporters while everyone else says come off it.

Although Corbyn asked a dumb question on someone's facebook page- he didn't paint the mural.

Campbell not only commissioned a blatantly anti-semitic image he told the BBC to fuck off when they raised the matter.

Happy days....

[slackster]

I see Starmer has a diverse team in his campaign camp, including the wishy-washy Labour First faction national co-ordinator (who I know). Be interesting to see if the press give him a relatively easy ride (until the leadership campaign concludes, at least). I’m still hoping a RLB/Raynor ticket comes in, but it’s not looking likely right now.

[Guy Profumo]

And with any luck this will fuck Lisa Nandy's campaign down the toilet, exposing her as an apologist for fascism


https://mobile.twitter.com/MhairiHun...06864709971969

[E10 Rifle]

I see both anti-Scottish sentiment and anti-Catholic dog-whistling are becoming a feature of this campaign. Going well innit …

[Lang Spoon]

Time to start hating on the Welsh.

[Snake Plissken]

I see both anti-Scottish sentiment and anti-Catholic dog-whistling are becoming a feature of this campaign. Going well innit …

The pundit class are working overtime to minimise it. An absolute belter from Ian Dunt.

https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1217800941774176256