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    They fu**ed up a momentum Croatia had at that very point with France hardly getting hold of the ball. Much like the Croatian bastards did during Cro-Cze 2016.
    They can fu**right off.

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      Evened itself out, then.

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        The problem wasn't with the ref's decision, but with VAR being used outside its mandate. Watch it over and over again, and I lean towards it being handball, which the referee agreed with. But a clear and obvious error? Not for me Clive. The referee watching it was presumably focusing on getting the decision right, and not weighing up whether, even if he was initially in error, was it a clear and obvious one. Is that in the referee's purview, or is it the VAR ref's responsibility?

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          Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
          Evened itself out, then.
          What are you talking about.

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            Originally posted by N est ? View Post
            The problem wasn't with the ref's decision, but with VAR being used outside its mandate. Watch it over and over again, and I lean towards it being handball, which the referee agreed with. But a clear and obvious error? Not for me Clive. The referee watching it was presumably focusing on getting the decision right, and not weighing up whether, even if he was initially in error, was it a clear and obvious one. Is that in the referee's purview, or is it the VAR ref's responsibility?
            His error was that he gave a goal kick. He didn't see the incident at all.

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              Originally posted by Pietro Paolo Virdis View Post
              They fu**ed up a momentum Croatia had at that very point with France hardly getting hold of the ball. Much like the Croatian bastards did during Cro-Cze 2016.
              They can fu**right off.
              Croatia probably shouldn't have conceded four goals if they wanted to win the game. I don't think you can really pin this one on Pussy Riot (who are fucking great, obv).

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                They fu**ed up a momentum Croatia had at that very point with France hardly getting hold of the ball. Much like the Croatian bastards did during Cro-Cze 2016.
                They can fu**right off.
                Won't somebody think of the world cup finalists?
                Last edited by NHH; 17-07-2018, 10:28.

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                  Originally posted by EIM View Post
                  Croatia probably shouldn't have conceded four goals if they wanted to win the game. I don't think you can really pin this one on Pussy Riot (who are fucking great, obv).
                  Because that's how football works. It's almost predetermined how many goals will be scored by either side and nothing at all about circumstances, one event leading to another.

                  You can like Pussy Riot as much as you want. None of my business. I'm lumping them together with any other pitch invaders who I think all suck regardless of motive. Jimmy Jump, the Croatian fans who tried to ruin the game for Croatia 2016, the Danish fan who ran in during the Den-Swe qualifier, streakers, they can all shove it.

                  Beyond that, let's see:
                  One in Pussy Riot has said Putin is not that overly bad as the media in the west paint him.
                  One in Pussy Riot left her baby sleeping on a baby dressing-table, took off to a party, the baby fell down.
                  One in Pussy Riot was arrested due to some "performance" sexual act with a frozen chicken while in a freezing counter.
                  One in Pussy Riot published pregnant sex porn.
                  Orgy in a museum.

                  Yeah, not a PR-trick bunch at all. It's all about human rights. Nothing at all to do with publicity based on greed. Not at all.
                  But maybe you meant that they are fucking great in their porn videos. I haven't seen them in full, only stills and stuff in the news.

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                    It's amazing how easily people buy into things from reading it in one or two western papers.
                    Washington Post writes positive about them and only positive. Then it must be true, and not a single other angle to it all.

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                      I can see it's been a heavy weekend.

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                        Enjoy the pregnant sex porn

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                          One in Pussy Riot made pigs smoke.
                          One in Pussy Riot fed beef burgers to swans.
                          One in Pussy Riot has big sheds, but nobody's allowed in. And in these sheds they have 20ft high chickens, and these chickens are scared because they don't know why they're so big, and they're going, "Oh why am I so massive?" and they're looking down at all the little chickens and they think they're in an aeroplane because all the other chickens are so small.

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                            One in Pussy Riot refused to come on as a substitute
                            One in Pussy Riot could be sent to prison for five years for suspected perjury
                            One in Pussy Riot mowed a swastika into the pitch
                            One in Pussy Riot made a swastika out of fans in the ground
                            One in Pussy Riot sang racist songs and got a match played behind closed doors
                            One in Pussy Riot read the Washington Post

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                              I'm unsubscribing before one of them goes wee wee wee all the way home.

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                                Just found the Pussy Riot orgy video. Bit too gonzo for my liking. The fella dressed as Karl Marx at the back was an interesting twist, albeit one that put me off my stroke, but it seemed more like a student party gone wild for my liking. This, though, this is more my thing. Shame it missed out the exquisite volleyed pass that started the move, but I guess I don't want to go blind.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJG1AB53JZM

                                Pogba! POGBAAAAAArrggggggnnnnnnnrrnnnnnrrrnnnn *sigh*

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                                  One in Pussy Riot is as big as four cats and has got a retractable leg so as she can leap up at you better. And d'you know what Ted she lights up at night, and she's got four ears, two are for listening and two are kind of back-up ears. Her claws are as big as cups and for some reason she's got a tremendous fear of stamps. Mrs Doyle was telling me that she's got magnets on her tail so as if you're made out of metal she can attach herself to you, and instead of a mouth she's got four arses.

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                                    One in Pussy Riot hit the east side of the LBC on a mission trying to find Mr Warren G
                                    One in Pussy Riot seen a car full of skirt no need to tweak
                                    One in Pussy Riot knows what's up with 213
                                    One in Pussy Riot hooked a left on the 21 to Lewis
                                    One in Pussy Riot saw some brothers playing dice and said let's do this
                                    One in Pussy Riot jumped out the ride and said what's up
                                    One in Pussy Riot pulled some gats and I said I'm stuck
                                    One in Pussy Riot couldn't believe they were taking Warren's wealth
                                    One in Pussy Riot took my rings and rolex
                                    One in Pussy Riot said damn what's next
                                    One in Pussy Riot came up real quick before they started to clown
                                    One in Pussy Riot best pulled out their strap and lay them busters down
                                    One in Pussy Riot got guns to my head I think I'm going down
                                    One in Pussy Riot can't believe this happening in my own town
                                    One in Pussy Riot glanced up the cut and seen my homey Nate
                                    One in Pussy Riot had sixteen in the clip and one in the hole
                                    One in Pussy Riot is about to make some bodies turn cold
                                    One in Pussy Riot was dropping and yelling though a tad bit late
                                    Two in Pussy Riot had to Regulate.

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                                      Originally posted by EIM View Post
                                      One in Pussy Riot refused to come on as a substitute
                                      Be fair, she was more than keen to get on the pitch in the final. Big game player, obvs.

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                                        Orgy in a museum, I know
                                        I know, it's serious

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                                          Originally posted by Pietro Paolo Virdis View Post
                                          What are you talking about.
                                          Your post suggested that Croatia had lived and died by this same particular sword.

                                          But my point was more that it really didn't make a lot of difference either way, given that they were getting a second-half trouncing. As indeed others have suggested since.

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                                            Originally posted by Бога Нет View Post
                                            Be fair, she was more than keen to get on the pitch in the final. Big game player, obvs.
                                            John Terry in drag

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                                              Originally posted by Logan Mountstuart View Post
                                              One flippant remark (water carrier), by a player who achieved maybe a quarter of what Deschamps has in the game has blighted his whole career.

                                              I regularly watched him as a youngster for Nantes and he was a superb, creative no. 10.

                                              He was the absolute motor in the OM team, who I also had the privilege of watching regularly (if only for the quality of the football). Without him that team would just not have worked. Juvuntus saw this.

                                              Britain, in general, never understood the Aime Jacquet France. They were too busy looking through their Cantona/ Ginola bifocals. Maybe after they won in 98 when a few premiership players had come into the team. Vieira, Petit.

                                              I remember constantly telling people between 94 and 96 that this bloke Zidane was a much better player to base a team around than Cantona.

                                              And I really loved Cantona. We'll, before he left Leeds.

                                              Anyway, 4 clear wins without the need for extra time, in the tough half of the draw is enough to merit being worthy champions.

                                              Feel very sorry for Croatia though. One of those great teams which you will always remember the names from 1 through to fictitious 11.

                                              Particularly sorry for my football loving daughter, who on holiday, dragged her friends of schedule to Croatia because she said she couldn't miss being part of the wildest party ever seen on the planet.
                                              I think that people in the UK understood the Aime Jacquet team very well. 16 out of the 22 wound up playing in the premier league (and one in scotland) There's not that much to understand. they were a really defensive team, not blessed with pace, or remotely functional centre forwards. They had a bunch of experienced players playing a very conservative game, and while it didn't work out for them in euro 96, they got the bounce of the ball when they needed it at their home world cup. In six knockout games, they drew three 0-0 and went to penalties. won one game 1-0 with a header from a corner in extra time. when they went a goal down they got out of trouble with two brilliant goals from a full back who didn't score in his other 141 games for France, and in the Final Zidane scored two headers from corners, and went from having done next to nothing for Jacquet's france, to being the symbol of its glory.

                                              I thing perhaps one of the greatest question marks over that French Team was the shock that everyone had when Desailly turned up at chelsea the following season and gave a passable impression of a man in his forties. That really came as a surprise to everyone. He spent a lot of his time being beaten semi conscious, or being outpaced by players he had no business being outpaced by. it was pretty extraordinary.

                                              Ginola was only ever really a bit part player for france, and jacquet did give him a go. It just didn't work out very well. He was a bad fit for a team that rarely got players into the opposition box. And he made Cantona captain at the start of the qualifiers for Euro 96. With cantona at the wheel, france drew their first three qualifiers 0-0, and picked up a 2-0 in the fourth game. Then at 29 and on his last chance Cantona found himself obliged to teach someone a lesson, which may have been completely the right thing to do at the time, it did rather make it rather tricky for Jacquet, who still had 6 qualifiers to play. I can completely see why he wasn't that keen to bring cantona back. The other thing is that Cantona was a bad fit for that French team. At Man utd Cantona was a slow player, who was surrounded by two of the fastest wingers anyone had ever seen, and two of the most athletic box to box midfielders in europe. Cantona moved around within this framework and influenced the game. At France he was a slow player in a team where the players around him barely moved. This is a completely different challenge entirely. One that Zidane didn't even manage to properly get the hang of. The French team of 2000 had plenty of players who could run like maniacs.

                                              Looking back at the french teams for the early qualifiers for euro 96, I sometimes found myself wondering who the fuck some of these players were, because despite having a load of oldish players at france 98, and a team seemingly set in stone, they had a largely different squad in 94. Fair dues to you if you spotted that zidane was the one to take over from cantona, because that really wasn't obvious at the time. Everyone in europe knew who he was in the 95-96 season, and literally every club in the premier league had a good long look at him, and the consensus was always the same. A really skilful player, but a bit weak, and a lot slow, and he was usually running on fumes shortly after half time. Kind of the french version of Charlie Adam. And that's the player that played at Euro 96. Imagine the shock on everyone's face when he turned up to play man utd a couple of months later having deleted the 2 from the start of his body fat percentage, looked like he could have been in 300 if you stuck a spear in his hand, and could suddenly run all day. Juventus were visionaries. they could see past the jowls and the oxygen tank, and saw that if you pumped this guy full of steroids and EPO that he could be quite something. A bit like Inter when they got a hold of Ronaldo, and decided that he would be truly perfect if he put on 2 stone of muscle in a couple of weeks.

                                              I think Zidane is a fascinating example of how our way of perceiving players has changed. The World Before Messi and cristiano ronaldo was a more forgiving place for top level footballers. To even be in with a hint of being the best footballer in the world, you have to score a goal a game for a decade. Back then no-one noticed that Zidane's club career basically took a four year snooze after the Juventus pharmacy got raided, and his reputation was largely based on his set piece prowess at france 98, a really good euro 2000, and a great goal in the 2002 cl final which silenced the increasingly noisy complaints that for a galactico, he didn't really do very much. He was really good again in 2002-3. Then again this was also the golden age of doping in spanish football. Everyone is now always being watched all the time, and they have to be producing all the time, otherwise they fall away very quickly, and that's just not how things used to be.

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                                                You missed out 2006, when he dragged them to the final. Euro 2000 can't just be waved through in one sentence. He was phenomenal there, as was the team.

                                                Drugs, I agree, but How clean were Man U?

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                                                  Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
                                                  Your post suggested that Croatia had lived and died by this same particular sword.

                                                  But my point was more that it really didn't make a lot of difference either way, given that they were getting a second-half trouncing. As indeed others have suggested since.
                                                  We'll never know now, will we.
                                                  It was the third incident working against Croatia. And yes, the third mattered more against Croatia since they were chasing a goal. I'm sure the French players wouldn't have smiled if they were the ones 2-1 down.
                                                  The Griezman dive which led to the free-kick and goal
                                                  The bullshit penalty

                                                  When the second half started Croatia were attacking in wave after wave. They were only 2-1 down and France hardly had the ball. If Croatia had scored one there, 2-2, we don't know how the rest would have played out. Maybe the game would have died into extra time and penalties. France at that point or any minute after certainly didn't look like they could score a goal by controlling the passing for longer spells. They won on counters, which wouldn't have existed at 2-2.
                                                  The pitch invasion interrupted the momentum Croatia had in the second half. While one of the Pussy PR-machines was high-fiveing Mbappe, the Croatian players lost a lot of their concentration. And if you've had one free-kick which shouldn't have been against you, an own goal, one penalty that you feel shouldn't have been, then this on top of all, I can't imagine you just shake it off like some EIM superhuman with the possibility to shake everything off, and not put your head down, sigh, and think "not this on top of all the other shit"

                                                  You can not say it didn't matter because France scored two more later, as little as I can say Croatia would have scored an equaliser then won on extra time or penalties. We'll never know now. Maybe after VAR and when that's set we can introduce pitch invaders in all league games and every single one in Champions League. They can jump in randomly under any given minute and run around like headless chicken. Some obviously think it's oh cool so why not make every game more cool. We can even throw out the mascots and replace them with Jimmy Jump's. One in every side and when they play away, are trailing, they send in their Jimmy Jump filled with ecstasy who interrupts in the midst of the home team trying to score. Maybe they can even get their own set of collectable Panini stickers.

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                                                    Even before we arrive at your amusing Panini scenario, I think you're overplaying this somewhat.

                                                    For one thing, the invasion was (very briefly) disruptive to the game per se, not just to Croatia. They have my sympathy as regards the first-half free-kick and penalty, sure, but a) they defended the former appallingly, and b) I strongly suspect that they'd have been claiming said pen had it occurred in an opposite situation. (It worked against them, so that was unfortunate, yes.)

                                                    Noticeably, only Lovren has come out and suggested that Pussy Riot might be the reason for their losing the World Cup. (And he had some cojones to do that publicly, if you ask me.) He also claimed that Croatia were the better side throughout, which is nonsense.

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