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Originally posted by ad hoc View PostSmith giving this task to Bancroft? He'll never live that down.
If your side feels getting the ball into the right state needs some extra 'help' the person you are going to turn to is the bloke already doing this job.
I feel Smith and Australia are being unequally treated here, due to the context of this being caught in an already fractious and controversial series. But that shouldn't matter, the offence is the same whether it happens in a India-Sri Lanka series played in front of sparse crowds with little interest or a SA-Australia one where the cricket boards are writing letters if complaint to each other.
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Originally posted by Janik View PostThere are precedents for punishments for ball tampering. Those are nothing like the levels that you guys seem to want. Having gone rather more gently in the past is going to make it pretty tricky for the ICC to do otherwise now.
My guess
Bancroft - 75% of match fee and 3 demerit points
Smith - 100% of match fee and 3 demerit points
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Statistics show that the ball did swing significantly more after it was tampered with. The umpires are not looking good after that either; the ball should have been changed.
This episode is new ground in ball tampering. This wasn't Atherton playing with sand or du Plessis using part of his clothing to gain an advantage (the mint saliva charge was absurd); this was a premeditated act of cheating by a group of players, and a (pathetic) attempt at covering up by lying to the umpires. The punishment cannot be based on precedent, because no precedent exists.
Bancroft was still less than totally honest in the press conference. He intimated that he stood near the leadership group, overheard the talk, drew his conclusions and then acted on his own initiative. Seriously? Does he really want to be the Matt Bevilacqua of cricket to Steve Smith's Richie Aprile?Last edited by G-Man; 25-03-2018, 08:54.
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Originally posted by Janik View PostIt's pretty normal for one player on the fielding side to be tasked with setting up the condition of the ball as required. A dedicated ball shiner. Given that bowlers are either busy bowling so should be concentrating on that, or not always on the field as they grab some R&R after a spell (sorry, take a 'physically necessary' brief break), that player will generally be a batsman. As it's a boring task, it's often delegated.
If your side feels getting the ball into the right state needs some extra 'help' the person you are going to turn to is the bloke already doing this job.
I feel Smith and Australia are being unequally treated here, due to the context of this being caught in an already fractious and controversial series. But that shouldn't matter, the offence is the same whether it happens in a India-Sri Lanka series played in front of sparse crowds with little interest or a SA-Australia one where the cricket boards are writing letters if complaint to each other.
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Originally posted by G-Man View Postthis was a premeditated act of cheating by a group of players, and a (pathetic) attempt at covering up by lying to the umpires. The punishment cannot be based on precedent, because no precedent exists.
It's funny because it's Australia and the nauseating "role model" crap is how they and their cheerleaders (Channel 9 et al) portray themselves, but it's not uniquely dastardly.
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Originally posted by G-Man View PostThis episode is new ground in ball tampering. This wasn't Atherton playing with sand or du Plessis using part of his clothing to gain an advantage (the mint saliva charge was absurd); this was a premeditated act of cheating by a group of players, and a (pathetic) attempt at covering up by lying to the umpires. The punishment cannot be based on precedent, because no precedent exists.
I can just about buy the idea that a bowler might take it on himself to tamper as an individual, though his fellow bowlers might not be happy if he does and it works contrary to what they were trying. But when it's a fielder or the captain doing it it's always going to be as the result of a collective decision by the attack and the 'leadership team'. And as such, there is plenty of precedent.
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Originally posted by tee rex View PostIt's funny because it's Australia and the nauseating "role model" crap is how they and their cheerleaders (Channel 9 et al) portray themselves, but it's not uniquely dastardly.
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Janik & Tee Rex: What I meant by this case being unique is that the collusion has actually been revealed (plus the lying to the umpires, which is a new thing). Of course Australia aren't the first side to do ball-tampering, as has been mentioned. But they are the first side of whom there is evidence of having collectively colluded to cheat. So there is no precedent for the ICC to base their sanction on. My argument was about the legal dimensions, not the moral.Last edited by G-Man; 25-03-2018, 09:58.
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostLying to umpires - happens every time a player doesn't walk.
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Originally posted by diggedy derek View PostThe ICC have banned Smith from playing in the fourth Test. That doesn't seem disproportionate to me – it's premeditated and about as bang to rights as you could ever get.
That said, I think I'm more bothered in general by the behaviour of fans and players on this tour.
I wonder how much of this ball tampering has been down to the niggle between the two sides in this series.Last edited by Antepli Ejderha; 25-03-2018, 14:07.
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The wicket at 95 was appealed. That enabled Morkel to get his fifer and MOTM.
That was one hell of a bowling and fielding performance by SA after tea. Maharaj was superb, and Morkel was lethal. The run-outs aside, most of the wickets that fell were due to the bowling, rather than stupid shot selection.
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