I did go off down a rabbit hole of wondering if Red Star Belgrade were the only champions of Europe whose league they'd qualified from had disappeared the season they won their trophy, but no, the Yugoslav First League went on a couple of years after 1991.
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Nice one, West Ham officially the worst winners, by domestic performance, Bayern and Villa winning the Big Cup while finishing 10th and 11th is even more remarkable though.
In years to come Alex you'll look back with pride on Rangers' record breaking CL campaign. When you're cheering for Malmo to pick up a point to protect 'your' record you'll know you've healed
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Originally posted by colchestersid View Post
Being happily retired I get to check all 175 winners - the lowest league positions as follows...Season Nation Team Competition Position 1969–70 England Arsenal Fairs/UEFA/Europa 12 1969–70 England Manchester City ECWC 10 1974–75 West Germany Bayern Munich EC/CL 10 1978–79 West Germany Borussia Monchengladbach Fairs/UEFA/Europa 10 1981–82 England Aston Villa EC/CL 11 1993–94 Italy Inter Milan Fairs/UEFA/Europa 13 1996–97 Germany Schalke 04 Fairs/UEFA/Europa 12 2021–22 Germany Eintracht Frankfurt Fairs/UEFA/Europa 11 2022–23 Spain Sevilla Fairs/UEFA/Europa 12 2022–23 England West Ham United UECL 14
74/75 Bayern Munich is a story in itself - in the middle of three consecutive European Cups they performed terribly, started the season with a 6-0 defeat at Kickers Offenbach and saw home crowds fall as low as 13,000
And, yes, I am also trying to distract from the fact I assumed there had to be someone who'd finished domestically lower than the Hammers while winning a European trophy.
Never, ever assume. The hard proof is out there.
Aye, Sid - I've watched a lot of clips of Bayern at home in that period and, as big as it is, the Olympic Stadium is noticeably empty for many domestic games.
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Originally posted by seand View Post
In years to come Alex you'll look back with pride on Rangers' record breaking CL campaign. When you're cheering for Malmo to pick up a point to protect 'your' record you'll know you've healed
It was the fastest in the history of all European club competition for all of - what? - four months, until Gift Orban took the best part of three minutes off it at Istanbul Basaksehir for Gent in the Conference League knockouts.
Plenty other sides have finished a UCL group campaign with zero points, three have scored zero goals compared to Rangers' two, and Viktoria Plzen conceded 24 goals in this season's group stage - becoming the third side to do so - compared to our 22 against.
BATE Borisov once finished with a goal difference of -22, beating our -20, BUT, amazingly, BATE won a game in that horror campaign of theirs.
I won't lie, though, the other kicker the night we lost at home to Ajax in the final group game was seeing Viktoria Plzen's result come up on the score board. I knew exactly what I wanted to happen over there, even before KO, and Barca eased up in the final quarter hour - one more goal from the Catalans would have put the Czechs on the same goal difference as us.
Only one more season of the group stage in this format so I'm just hoping we don't qualify so we can't outdo ourselves by scoring no goals and conceding 25 (although if we pick up three points along the way is that. better or worse?? Especially if it's three nil-nils!)
Think I will be a wee bit gutted though if someone else scores a faster UCL hat-trick... or even more gutted if it's Haaland at Ibrox.Last edited by Alex Anderson; 15-06-2023, 16:21. Reason: When Fashion Sakala puts us three up at the Bernabeu with a hat-trick in next season's group stage I'll be the only Bluenose in a huff, coz he scored all three in 6 minutes 13 seconds.
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Originally posted by Alex Anderson View Post
Only one more season of the group stage in this format so I'm just hoping we don't qualify so we can't outdo ourselves by scoring no goals and conceding 25 (although if we pick up three points along the way is that. better or worse?? Especially if it's three nil-nils!).
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We'll have signed him by then, TRL. He was on the bench when we opened the scoring that night. He drank in the noise. He wants more of that. Plus he scored for Egypt's Olympic team at Hampden. He loves it here.
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostThe West Ham stat does bolster the argument that the Conf League ought not to have the big leagues in it.
I'd have assumed that the CWC would have some weak winners but it's not borne out by this metric.
It's been quite nauseating all the English coverage of this West Ham success as if it's some kind of Roy of the Rovers triumph. West Ham are that tournament's flat-track bullies.
I'll be astonished if Villa don't win it next year.
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Okay, inspired by the sad news of Trevor Francis's death, but the 1979 European Cup ... was it the only one where both the previous year's finalists (Liverpool and Brugge) went out at the first stage? Forest beat Liverpool, and Brugge went out against Wisla Krakow.
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Virtually certain to be the case for the European Cup proper, given the number of times losing finalists did not qualify for the following competition at all.
May not be the case if one includes the Champions League, with the added complication of one needing to ignore group stages.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostVirtually certain to be the case for the European Cup proper, given the number of times losing finalists did not qualify for the following competition at all.
May not be the case if one includes the Champions League, with the added complication of one needing to ignore group stages.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostMadrid have only gone out at the first stage of either competition once, losing a two legged tie to Anderlecht in the Preliminary Round in 1962-63.
They had been losing finalists in 61-62, but Benfica reached the 62-63 Final (which they lost to Milan).
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