European Cup Trivia

[Satchmo Distel]

The 18 players in 1982 who made the final 40 but not the 22: Gary Bailey, Manchester United; Tommy Caton, Manchester City; Dave Watson, Stoke City; Alvin Martin, West Ham United; Russell Osman, Ipswich Town; Derek Statham, West Bromwich Albion; Alan Devonshire, West Ham United; Sammy Lee, Liverpool; Dennis Mortimer, Aston Villa; David Armstrong, Southampton; Steve Perryman, Tottenham Hotspur; Peter Barnes, Leeds United; Eric Gates, Ipswich Town; Paul Goddard, West Ham United; Cyrille Regis, West Bromwich Albion; Tony Morley, Aston Villa; Garth Crooks, Tottenham Hotspur; and Gary Shaw, Aston Villa. (Regis tore his hamstring before the 22 was announced).

[jwdd27]

Of those 18 only Bailey (unused) and Martin (1 game, Fenwick preferred) made the plane 4 years later.

I remember "Ron's 22" being the oldest squad as ye plumped for experience over youth, a decision which looked sound in the first group stage, but less good afterwards.

[Gangster Octopus]

So Rotherham nearly had a reject there? Bugger, that would've been something.

[Sporting]

2006: Oleguer (Barcelona) never played for Spain. Since then, I can't find anyone.

[Sporting]

1997: Martin Kree
1956: Angel Atienza

[Satchmo Distel]

1993-95: Milan keeper Sebastiano Rossi, three consecutive finals but no caps

2018: Karius has never been capped.

[EIM]

Jon Greening won in 1999, unused substitute. Never capped.

[EIM]

Because he was shit

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

The 18 players in 1982 who made the final 40 but not the 22: Gary Bailey, Manchester United; Tommy Caton, Manchester City; Dave Watson, Stoke City; Alvin Martin, West Ham United; Russell Osman, Ipswich Town; Derek Statham, West Bromwich Albion; Alan Devonshire, West Ham United; Sammy Lee, Liverpool; Dennis Mortimer, Aston Villa; David Armstrong, Southampton; Steve Perryman, Tottenham Hotspur; Peter Barnes, Leeds United; Eric Gates, Ipswich Town; Paul Goddard, West Ham United; Cyrille Regis, West Bromwich Albion; Tony Morley, Aston Villa; Garth Crooks, Tottenham Hotspur; and Gary Shaw, Aston Villa. (Regis tore his hamstring before the 22 was announced).

The Iceland game which is quoted in the Morley and Withe stats in June1982 was originally supposed to be a B international and featured the following line up:

1 Joe Corrigan, 2 Viv Anderson, 3 Phil Neal (c), 4 Dave Watson, 5 Russell Osman, 6 Terry McDermott, 7 Glenn Hoddle, 8 Alan Devonshire (12 Steve Perryman 70), 9 Peter Withe, 10 Cyrille Regis (13 Paul Goddard 40), 11 Tony Morley

It was however upgraded to a full international (not sure whether retrospectively or at the time). The next day the "A" team (not that one) played Finland with the line up being:

Ray Clemence 59 33 Tottenham Hotspur
Mick Mills 37 33 Ipswich Town
Phil Thompson 35 28 Liverpool
Alvin Martin 4 23 West Ham United
Kenny Sansom 23 23 Arsenal
Steve Coppell 65' 36 26 Manchester United
65' Trevor Francis 27 28 Manchester City
Bryan Robson 65' 19 25 Manchester United
65' Graham Rix 8 24 Arsenal
Ray Wilkins 47 25 Manchester United
Trevor Brooking 68' 46 33 West Ham United
68' Tony Woodcock 22 26 1. FC K?ln
Kevin Keegan Captain 62 31 Southampton
Paul Mariner 21 29 Ipswich Town

[Tony C]

Jon Greening won in 1999, unused substitute. Never capped.

Same as David May.

[Tony C]

Because he was shit

Definitely same as David May.

[Satchmo Distel]

[EIM]

Definitely same as David May.

May at least got called up to an England squad in 1997.

[Satchmo Distel]

[Antepli Ejderha]

Would a lot of this be down to the restrictions on foreign players and the reliance on home grown ones?

A cracking thread this.

[Sporting]

I'm preparing a longer but almost certainly incomplete list.

[Sporting]

Sorry but other commitments is making this take longer than expected. Here's a partial list which at the moment excludes all subs: Any help or corrections much appreciated:


1956: Angel Atienza - Spain
1964: Carlo Tagnin - Italy
1968: John Aston - England
1969: Fabio Cudicini - Italy
1971, 1972, 1973: Heinz Stuy - Holland
1973: Horst Blankenburg - Germany
1974, 1975, 1976; Bernd Durnberger -Germany
1976: Udo Horsmann - Germany
1977, 1978, 1981: Jimmy Case – England
1979: Ian Bowyer – England
1979: Frank Clark – England
1980: Gary Mills - England
1979, 1980: John McGovern - Scotland
1982: Kenny Swain - England
1982: Ken McNaught - Scotland
1982: Gary Williams - England
1982: Dennls Mortimer - England
1982. Gary Shaw – England
1983: Bernd Wehmeyer - Germany
1985: Luciano Favero - Italy
1985: Sergio Brio - Italy
1993: Jean-Jacques Eydelie – France
1994: Filippo Galli – Italy
1994: Sebastiano Rossi - Italy
1997: Stefan Klos - Germany
1997: Martin Kree - Germany
2006: Olegeur Presas - Spain
2018: Loris Karius - Germany

[seand]

Great stuff sporting. I think ignoring subs makes eminent sense, specially these days with 23 or more man squads. Even the megaclubs might not have three full international keepers

[Sporting]

I haven't checked subs who actually played yet.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Bill Foulkes will take some beating for the gap between cap (1954, his only cap) and European Cup win (1968). And also probably one of the oldest outfield winners (36 years and nearly 5 months).

[Sporting]

The preponderance of players in the list from England, Italy and Germany presumably shows the strength of both club and national teams - though this is a dubious claim as far as England are concerned - and also that if you a Dane or whatever playing abroad for a big club you were practically guaranteed international status.

[Satchmo Distel]

If we expand to runners up, I believe Rossi was in three finals 1993 to 95. Wiki says he was called up twice but did not play. He was omitted from the USA 94 squad by his former club manager. Maybe he didn't get enough practice saving shots behind that Milan defence?

[3 Colours Red]

Jermaine Pennant, 2007. Probably Liverpool's best player in that final.

[Sporting]

Some players, such as the Italian Fabio Cuducini, a goalie, were unlucky never to have been capped (he coincided, among others, with Dino Zoff).

2 others on the list share a record,according to wiki:

"...together with Bayern Munich player of the 1970s and 1980s Bernd D?rnberger, he [Heinz Stuy] holds the record for being the player having won the most major club titles without having ever played for the national team of his country."

Who was the Dutch first-choice keeper during these years?

Oleguer Presas and Loris Karius are pretty average and there has to be some doubt wheher the former would have been happy to play for Spain at all.

Sebastiano Rossi seems most unfortunate never to have been picked for his country. After all:

"Rossi also holds the record for the fewest goals conceded by a goalkeeper during a single 34-match Italian league season, with 11."

[Tony C]

May at least got called up to an England squad in 1997.

I often think Ferguson kept players like May, Greening, Darren Gibson or Tom Cleverley in his squads so that when debates about great managers ensue, people will look at these names and think "Jesus, he won major trophies with this lot?" thus elevating his reputation even more.