Ray Wilkins getting sent off for dissent in 1986 against Morocco. Never seen the like of that decision in a big match before or since (even though imp will say it was correct).
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Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostRay Wilkins getting sent off for dissent in 1986 against Morocco. Never seen the like of that decision in a big match before or since (even though imp will say it was correct).
And, since GO asked, how would it have affected Germany? Well, they'd have met England in the second round (you're welcome, GO). Much as I object to Rogin's certainty that England would have reached the semi-final... yeah, I reckon England might have won that tie. Or lost on penalties, obviously.
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Originally posted by Anorak Smith View PostWillie Johnston getting sent home in 1978 due to a failed drugs test. I didn't even know that was a thing at that point, and he was a bit of a hero of mine at the time, playing left wing at West Brom, so I got quite a bit of stick at school over it.
Originally posted by G-Man View PostAnyway, I was hoping this thread might raise other examples of controversies and scandals.
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The 24 team, 2 points for a win format of 1986 meant that there were very fine margins in terms of qualification for the R16. It's difficult to judge how much a different result in the second group game would have affected things. With Wilkins' suspension, Robson's injury and no goals in 2 games, Bobby Robson was pretty much forced to go balls to the wall, with 3 new midfielders and Beardsley's craft replacing Hateley's bulk.
If he'd had a win and a draw in the bag already, he'd have surely been more conservative against Poland, as with 3 points apiece they were both practically guaranteed qualification.
The 3rd place table would also have changed,
Wilkins' red card had a butterfly effect rather than being an outright scandal.
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Presuming that England would have won with him not sent off. But even in that event, England would have had to beat Poland to be sure of going through. Assuming a 1-0 win over Moricco (who were no jokes; they went on to beat Portugal who had beaten England), after two games the table would have been:
Poland 1-0 3pts
Portugal 1-1 2pts
England 1-1 2pts
Morocco 0-1 1pts
A draw for England could have then seen them knocked out if Portugal or Morocco won, or even had a higher-scoring draw than England. Robson would still have had to go for a win.
And that is assuming that the red card deprived England of a win.
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West Germany 1-0 Austria in that same World Cup caused a bit of a fuss, didn't it? I wasn't alive at the time though, so someone else will have to nominate it.
Originally posted by ad hoc View PostWell there was Neuer's Schumacher-Battiston (brief reprise) on Higuain
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Originally posted by Sam View PostWest Germany 1-0 Austria in that same World Cup caused a bit of a fuss, didn't it? I wasn't alive at the time though, so someone else will have to nominate it.
How either stayed in the tournament following that, I will never understand.
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Well, they did nothing illegal so there was no mechanism by which to eject them. But there were serious calls in Germany for pulling the team out of the World Cup. The German commentator, Eberhard Stanjek, refused to commentate after a while, and the studio presenter was quite aghast at what he had seen. To this day, German football is embarrassed about that game.
I was angry watching the game, at least in the second half. It's often said that the teams stopped playing once Hrubesch scored the 1-0 in the 8th minute. But I think it was a decent enough game until just before half-time, with West-Germany creating a few chances (not that I am inclined to ever test my memory by watching that game).
Poor Pierre Littbarski, still only 21 and inexperienced, didn't get the memo, so he kept making runs and tried to make things happen. The older hands must have been quite amused by it. I still resent the senior players -- Breitner, Rummenigge, Kaltz, Stielike, Magath -- for presiding over this farce. Austria's Walter Schachner later said that some of the senior players from both sides colluded to keep the score as it was.
What I didn't get then and still don't understand is why they made it so obvious. Make runs, shoot at goal but miss, win corners... at least fucking run! Don't advertise your duplicity.
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In 1978 the refs were bent in favour of Argentina pretty much all the way through (the hosts' games v Hungary and France, for example). But I think the video of Argentina v Peru shows the Peruvians genuinely trying in the first half then getting overwhelmed in the second.
The scandal of 1966 was the refs allowing Pele to be fouled out of the tournament and Nobby Stiles to kick people at will. Jonathan Wilson has a good analysis of the Rattin sending off.
1986 - no real sympathy for England given how Terry Fenwick should have been sent off several times.
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