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I think this episode nailed why Live Aid was so toxic, not just for music but for dragging the UK back to a Victorian concept of charity rather than pressuring the government to take responsibility (to be fair, Geldof himself did attack governments but he had already given them an excuse to offload the responsibility on to the record-buying punters).
Then of course Tears For Fears getting a boost from the sporting version, the rather nauseous kiddie charity cover of 'Ben', etc.
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Originally posted by Gerontophile View PostIs there a copyright on this? I really want to put it on a T-shirt.
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I'm glad Tears for Fears got both barrels. They (and Ultravox) have always been my most hated 80s chart band.*
However I won't have a thing said against Suddenly by Billy Ocean and Cherish by Kool and the Gang. (I even quite like Frankie by Sister Sledge).
*They are the reason why I stay away from 80s nights, for fear of having to listen to that shit. If they guaranteed wall to wall Wham, Debarge, Alexander O'Neal and Kid Creole then I'd be first in line.
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Originally posted by Jon View PostI'm glad Tears for Fears got both barrels. They (and Ultravox) have always been my most hated 80s chart band.*
However I won't have a thing said against Suddenly by Billy Ocean and Cherish by Kool and the Gang. (I even quite like Frankie by Sister Sledge).
*They are the reason why I stay away from 80s nights, for fear of having to listen to that shit. If they guaranteed wall to wall Wham, Debarge, Alexander O'Neal and Kid Creole then I'd be first in line.
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Originally posted by Jon View PostNo, I disagree. It's OK. Insanely catchy bubble gum pop and nothing like their previous singles but not too bad at all. I was pleased to find out through the podcast that Nile Rogers produced it.
*if such things still exist.
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Blue is a brilliant song, and yes, far better than Johnny. Such an odd band. Worldwide smash album that minted them and then...so long, suckers.
Cox and Steele are apparently a bit nuts/difficult, so maybe that's it.
Tear for Fears are excellent, so I've no idea what's going on with Jon up there. DeBarge? Really?
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Yeah, the songs are good. But they are utterly lacking in soul. I think Neil Kulkarni makes the point on Chart Music that a song like "Head Over Heels" should have some sign of giddiness. TFF songs are free of emotion. I might take a song at a time, but listening to a whole album of theirs would numb me.
Talking of Fine Young Cannibals, I have a signed copy of their debut album. I wonder if that is worth anything.
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"Tear for Fears are excellent, so I've no idea what's going on with Jon up there. DeBarge? Really?"
I was trying, albeit clumsily, to express the fact that the likes of Luther Vandross, rather than Tears for Fears, represent my 80s. And yes - surely the critical reassessment of Debarge is only around the corner. (I am speaking with my tongue in my cheek here but I really do like their early stuff and they have been an influence on rap and r and b acts from the 90s onwards).
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Originally posted by WOM View PostBlue is a brilliant song, and yes, far better than Johnny. Such an odd band. Worldwide smash album that minted them and then...so long, suckers.
Cox and Steele are apparently a bit nuts/difficult, so maybe that's it.
Tear for Fears are excellent, so I've no idea what's going on with Jon up there. DeBarge? Really?
I didn't mind TFF when they were a bit darker: Mad World and Change remain good tunes. Since Donnie Darko, however, the former has been painfully over-exposed. (As for Everybody Wants to Rule the World, that was over-exposed before it went massive.)
Originally posted by G-Man View PostTalking of Fine Young Cannibals, I have a signed copy of their debut album. I wonder if that is worth anything.Last edited by Jah Womble; 05-04-2018, 09:01.
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There’s a certain kind of dull as fuck anthemic but, especially by folk who think they are above it. Sneery “intellectual” singers that come across like fucking Partridge. Also OMD, allergic to those cunts. And with shit 80s production things get silly bombastic. Like Roland or Jim Fucking Kerr. I hate to say it, but Bongo and the Boys pulled off the trick better, maybes cos they were careful never to seem above their fans.Last edited by Lang Spoon; 05-04-2018, 19:18.
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Rise is a good piece of 80s anthemic bombast though, and maybe Lydon’s last moment of being not shit. (I don’t like the Leftfield track). Production is tons better than shit like Tears For Fears as well. The drums aren’t quite as wrong.
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