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    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    blocked to mean drunk is a new one on me (among the vast range of terms for drunk)
    Me too.

    I'd not heard blocked used in that sense before either.

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      Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
      Blocked = intoxicated. It's still commonly used if localised. Glaswegians would know it

      If I understand AH's grumble, he was more concerned that I followed 'PLASTER' with 'PLASTERED'. Yellow card for persistent fouling accepted

      Finishing with 'I Rap on the knuckles' is the modern fashion (7)
      Nah.

      Your reply included "plaster" in it, PLASTERed.

      Play on

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        The clue should include the word as a word, nor different tenses, conjugations, Portmanteau words and the like.

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          Anyway-

          Thespians often found here in clumsy play.

          (5,4)

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            Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
            The clue should include the word as a word, nor different tenses, conjugations, Portmanteau words and the like.
            I suggest a meeting of the rules committee to discuss this in the near future in a mutually agreed venue in Manchester.

            As a member, I would like to raise the issue that this so-called "rule" be ignored.

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              By member, I mean ordinary member, bot someone on the committee.

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                As another member I feel quite strongly* about this rule. It feels like the key challenge of the clue writing is to do it with a precise word not some variant thereof. I enjoy that challenge.

                (*Surprisingly so, even to me. If the rule were abandoned I realise I would be inclined to set up a new "purists" thread)

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                  I shall be joining ad hoc on the purists’ thread.

                  (NB not the purists’ threaded, rethread, threadbare, or threadworms.)

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                    Will.

                    Not shall.

                    (wanting to set up an even purer thread)

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                      Originally posted by Guy Profumo View Post
                      Will.

                      Not shall.

                      (wanting to set up an even purer thread)
                      [

                      Well, in traditional British grammar, the rule is that will should only be used with second and third person pronouns (you; he, she, it, they). With first person pronouns (I and we), the ‘correct’ verb to talk about the future is shall.

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                        Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                        Anyway-

                        Thespians often found here in clumsy play.

                        (5,4)
                        Gonna need a hint Net, I'm afraid. (Others' mileage may vary.)

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                          Thespians often found here in clumsy play.

                          (5,4)

                          _ R _ _ _

                          _ _ _ _

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                            Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
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                            When "shall" is used in the first person, it denotes simple futurity.

                            "will" indicates a decision to "make it so".

                            Second and Third persons (thou, you; she,it,he,they) it's t'other way about.


                            Hence the joke about the foreigner in trouble off Brighton Beach.


                            "Ahoy. I will drown. Shall no-one save me?"

                            And accordingly, everyone acceeded to his wishes and let him

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                              Thespians often found here in clumsy play.

                              (5,4)

                              _ R _ _ _

                              _ _ O _

                              My quote was from Oxford Dictionaries, but I'll invite ad hoc as a professional english language person to adjudicate.

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                                Ornamental old case outside green room's aperture (10)

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                                  Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                  Thespians often found here in clumsy play.

                                  (5,4)

                                  _ R _ _ _

                                  _ _ O _

                                  My quote was from Oxford Dictionaries, but I'll invite ad hoc as a professional english language person to adjudicate.
                                  Mine was lifted from Partridge/Whitcut and Fowler/Burchfield

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                                    I will confess that Guy's reading of this difference of shall and will is new to me, and my understanding was as Nef's. However, in Nef's link itself the difference expressed by Guy is there (in the section subtitled Determination or duty: you shall go to the ball! )

                                    Personally, in the perhaps optimistic hope that the rebels can be brought back into the rules-based fold of the thread, I'd have used "would" to imply my belief that I was unlikely to have to make this decision.

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                                      Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                      I will confess that Guy's reading of this difference of shall and will is new to me, and my understanding was as Nef's. However, in Nef's link itself the difference expressed by Guy is there (in the section subtitled Determination or duty: you shall go to the ball! )

                                      Personally, in the perhaps optimistic hope that the rebels can be brought back into the rules-based fold of the thread, I'd have used "would" to imply my belief that I was unlikely to have to make this decision.


                                      We're probably the last people alive that actually care about that distinction, tbh.

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                                        This provincial agrees with ad hoc on shall/will/would.

                                        In American legal English (yes, I know), "shall" is considered to be the most mandatory instruction possible.

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                                          Which is what I said.

                                          Shall as an instruction is used in second/third person.

                                          You can't "instruct" yourself in this circumstance.

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                                            I shall be sure to remember that the next time I’m in South Yorkshire

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                                              Ornamental old case outside green room's aperture (10)

                                              _ _ C _ _ _ _ _ V _

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                                                I'm guessing- (No idea how the clueing works but the definition seems to work)

                                                Decorative porn? A tempting interior.

                                                (6)

                                                Pleased to see that the will/shall debate has attracted the great Ursus to our crossword backwater.

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                                                  I guess old case will be dative. No idea how "ecor" is green room's aperture.
                                                  Last edited by ad hoc; 10-05-2018, 08:20.

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                                                    Ornate Romanian cobalt company (6)

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