More "since the Premiership began" crap today as I had a double take when the BBC said that Man Utd had had the worst start ever to a Premiership season. "It can't be that bad," I thought, "they were in the second division and everything" before clocking the 'Premiership" qualifier. It's like "top scorer since the Premiership began". Who fucking cares? It was a rebrand, that's all.
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"Since the premier league began" is an utterly terrible way to describe what is a meaningful inflection point in the development of football. But it's got fuck all to do with cheerleaders dying of exposure in oldham. The start of the 1992-93 season is the introduction of the backpass rule, and football either side of that is almost two entirely different sports.
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The Guardian did at least overshoot the start of the Premier League with their incorrect 28 years.
29 years ago Man United were 13th in Division One
P17 W6 D3 L8 GF24 GA24 Pts21
https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...december-1989/
Whereas they are now 6th in the Premier League
P17 W7 D5 L5 GF29 GA29 Pts 26
But at this stage in 89 there were 20 points between top (Arsenal) and bottom (Man City). There are 36 points between Man City and Fulham.
This of course was the season of Michael Knighton, 35,000 crowds at Old Trafford, rumours of Howard Kendall replacing useless Ferguson (went to City instead and kept them up) and that fucking Mark Robins goal.
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But that is the sort of argument that feeds hostility to history. There's a continuity, even if advent of the Premier League coincided with the introduction of the backpass rule, the abolition of standing for fans, and the rise of the player as a corporate entity. Why look for a point of rupture?
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Are you lot holding no truck with the idea that the Premier League is a breakaway and new competition, and that Division 1 still exists? For example, the trophy that Leeds won in 1992 is still awarded to the winners of The Championship, and thus PL era records are both accurate and acceptable?
Personally, I'm not arsed. Liverpool have 0 Premier League titles, which is 20 fewer than Manchester United. Or they have 18 league titles, which is 2 fewer than Manchester United. Either way I'm happy.
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It's interesting.
Virtually no one in the relevant countries has issues with "professional era" records, or with major organisational mileposts such as the introduction of Serie A or the Bundesliga.
And yet there is a strong argument that the introduction of the Premier League was nowhere near as significant a break point as any of those events.
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Originally posted by EIM View PostAre you lot holding no truck with the idea that the Premier League is a breakaway and new competition, and that Division 1 still exists? For example, the trophy that Leeds won in 1992 is still awarded to the winners of The Championship, and thus PL era records are both accurate and acceptable?
Personally, I'm not arsed. Liverpool have 0 Premier League titles, which is 20 fewer than Manchester United. Or they have 18 league titles, which is 2 fewer than Manchester United. Either way I'm happy.
In which case, Liverpool can then argue that they still have 11 more Football League titles than United.
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Originally posted by EIM View PostAre you lot holding no truck with the idea that the Premier League is a breakaway and new competition, and that Division 1 still exists? For example, the trophy that Leeds won in 1992 is still awarded to the winners of The Championship, and thus PL era records are both accurate and acceptable?
Personally, I'm not arsed. Liverpool have 0 Premier League titles, which is 20 fewer than Manchester United. Or they have 18 league titles, which is 2 fewer than Manchester United. Either way I'm happy.
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Originally posted by EIM View PostAre you lot holding no truck with the idea that the Premier League is a breakaway and new competition, and that Division 1 still exists? For example, the trophy that Leeds won in 1992 is still awarded to the winners of The Championship, and thus PL era records are both accurate and acceptable?
Personally, I'm not arsed. Liverpool have 0 Premier League titles, which is 20 fewer than Manchester United. Or they have 18 league titles, which is 2 fewer than Manchester United. Either way I'm happy.
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The EFL have joined in. What on earth is the difference between the old third division and League One "in its current guise"?
https://twitter.com/SkyBetLeagueOne/status/1075400280676712448
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Originally posted by longeared View PostThe EFL have joined in. What on earth is the difference between the old third division and League One "in its current guise"?
https://twitter.com/SkyBetLeagueOne/status/1075400280676712448
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The only derbies in "league one" as opposed to division 3 (but obviously etcetc) were in 2011/12 and the attendances were 28,136 at Bramall Lane and 36,364 at Hillsborough.
The other season we met in the third division was in 79/80 and there were 45,156 at Bramall Lane and 49,309 at Hillsborough
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