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Originally posted by TonTon View PostPeople have been getting all pretendy-cross about Imagine for years though.
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Why pretendy-cross. Lennon sat in his mansion, with the Rolls-Royce outside, crooning about imagining no possessions. That's fine to ponder, but instead of singing, "And much as I try, I do love my mansion and car too much to transkate these ideas into reality", he admonishes the listener "to join us", as if he has accomplished these raduical ideas already. And even if that is a misreading, don't sing about imagining things, as if that is enough. Put on your yellow vest.
I like the melody though.
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From Wiki:
in an interview with Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone in December 1970, Lennon said, "I think it's a revolutionary song – it's really just revolutionary. I just think its concept is revolutionary. I hope it's for workers and not for tarts and fags. I hope it's about what Give Peace A Chance was about. But I don't know – on the other hand, it might just be ignored. I think it's for the people like me who are working class, who are supposed to be processed into the middle classes, or into the machinery. It's my experience, and I hope it's just a warning to people, Working Class Hero."
So it's about John wanting to get down with the kids (working class kids obvs).Last edited by Aitch; 12-12-2018, 15:56.
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Originally posted by Stumpy Pepys View PostSo he's like Bruce Springsteen--a voice for the working man, who's never actually done a day's work in his life? (Outside of showbiz.)
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Originally posted by Stumpy Pepys View PostSo he's like Bruce Springsteen--a voice for the working man, who's never actually done a day's work in his life? (Outside of showbiz.)
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Some very strange comments being made on here. I'm no Springsteen-apologist, but are people really suggesting that he dropped straight out of the sky into rock stardom?
And, as ad hoc suggests, Lennon wasn't claiming any kind of position of personal hardship. (I mean, like most of us, I'm not badly off but I reserve the right to argue in favour of those that aren't given a fair deal in this world.)
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Originally posted by Jah Womble View PostSome very strange comments being made on here. I'm no Springsteen-apologist, but are people really suggesting that he dropped straight out of the sky into rock stardom?
And, as ad hoc suggests, Lennon wasn't claiming any kind of position of personal hardship. (I mean, like most of us, I'm not badly off but I reserve the right to argue in favour of those that aren't given a fair deal in this world.)
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Originally posted by Benjm View PostI'm not a massive Lennon fan but was the gap between working and lower middle class really such an unbridgeable chasm back then? Maybe Aunt Mimi did buy her sofa outright rather than on HP, or whatever the indicators are, but it hardly makes him Lord David Dundas.
I don't know whether she bought her couches on HP or not. I have bought furniture on HP, and I would be a fool if I used that to define myself as working class.
Of course Lennon also had roots in the working class, so he indeed wasn't Lord David Dundas. He could comment with some authority on the condition of the working class. And he saw himself as working class, Mendips and art school notwithstanding. Of Working Class Hero, he said: "I think it's for the people like me who are working class, who are supposed to be processed into the middle classes, or into the machinery. It's my experience, and I hope it's just a warning to people, Working Class Hero." Written in his country mansion with the Rolls-Royce outside. So when he sings, "A working class hero is something to be. If you want to be a hero well just follow me", it is...ambiguous.
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Originally posted by Stumpy Pepys View PostIt goes back to the dreaded A-word (authenticity); a concept I have realised, probably too late in life, is generally bollocks.
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