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    #76
    Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
    I don't fully understand the 'old football was crap'-vibe that's permeating OTF at the moment. Watching an entire game of which I already know the outcome would likely have me reaching for the fast-forward once or twice regardless of how long ago the game might've been - but footage of the 1970 World Cup (for example) never bores me.



    Well, that brought it into the public consciousness and made it culturally-iconic, yes, but it was an oft-replayed goal before then.
    I had absolutely no idea that it was in any way connected with the (?) film? I put the question mark because I read the book and can't remember any link so it must have been in the film. I suppose.

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      #77
      Real Madrid 7 Eintracht Frankfurt 3. Supposedly one of football's greatest ever performances.

      The defending in general, and the goalkeeping in particular, is downright laughable, even for "those" times.

      But it was played at Hampden, so it must be iconic.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Sporting View Post
        I had absolutely no idea that it was in any way connected with the (?) film? I put the question mark because I read the book and can't remember any link so it must have been in the film. I suppose.
        Yep, fairly iconic* 'dual' sex scene in which Tommy Mackenzie (actor Kevin McKidd) realises that his homemade porno has been swapped for a World Cup tape by Mark 'Rent Boy' Renton (Ewan McGregor). "I haven't felt this good since...etc"

        (*For 'iconic', read 'most likely to have been rewound/replayed'.)

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          #79
          Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
          I don't fully understand the 'old football was crap'-vibe that's permeating OTF at the moment.
          "New is always better!" - Barney Stinson.

          (Unless people are discussing the decline of OTF itself when ye olden days were so much better!)

          Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
          Watching an entire game of which I already know the outcome would likely have me reaching for the fast-forward once or twice regardless of how long ago the game might've been
          Does depend on the game. As a kid I rewatched the 1987 FA Cup final several times. Never hit fast forward once. I'd probably watch it again now.

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            #80
            Ha - I'll not be joining you.

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              #81
              England's 1-0 defeat to the USA at the 1950 WC is surely an overrated moment. Yes, it was a shock but it was nothing like the myth that it became.

              On another day, England would've won the game comfortably, and back in Blighty, England's first defeat at home to the West Indies was the much bigger news story

              If anything, England's 1-0 loss to Spain in their final group game was a more significant result, as it actually knocked them out and maybe showed that there was a lot of real work to be done.

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                #82
                Olden times football was much better, you were allowed to think about other things back then.
                Last edited by Kowalski; 11-12-2018, 18:34.

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                  #83
                  I've always thought the Banks save was over-rated.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Prester John View Post
                    England's 1-0 defeat to the USA at the 1950 WC is surely an overrated moment. Yes, it was a shock but it was nothing like the myth that it became.

                    On another day, England would've won the game comfortably, and back in Blighty, England's first defeat at home to the West Indies was the much bigger news story

                    If anything, England's 1-0 loss to Spain in their final group game was a more significant result, as it actually knocked them out and maybe showed that there was a lot of real work to be done.

                    It was the first big World Cup shock. It might not have been huge for England, but it was huge for the World Cup, where the mighty can fall and the minnows can get some joy bringing down a Goliath.

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                      #85
                      Does depend on the game. As a kid I rewatched the 1987 FA Cup final several times. Never hit fast forward once. I'd probably watch it again now.

                      That's the first game I can remember in detail. I watched the highlights again recently and Ketih Houchen was a lot nearer the goal than I remembered

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                        I watched the highlights again recently and Ketih Houchen was a lot nearer the goal than I remembered
                        It was less of a diving header, and more of a belly-flopping one. Lean forward too far, over-balance and fall flat into the water.

                        IIRC I was a little underwhelmed by it at the time.

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                          #87
                          hah, I thought it was fantastic. looking back, the Allen goal is fantastic as well. (Actually the first game I remember was Belgium 2-2 Ireland, from the start of that season.) Watching the video again It's amazing how little the ball bounces. How heavy was the pitch?

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                            #88
                            I remember thinking Clayton Blackmore's freekick against Montpellier in 90-91 was the most incredible thing I'd ever seen. 45 yards out and hit with such power it knocked the keeper into the back of the net. I saw it again, for the first time since it happened, a few years ago. I was... disappointed.

                            https://youtu.be/Z6QID_1ZQJI?t=1m18s

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                              #89
                              Gary fucking lineker? Why the hell is he on there? he's only halfway through his time at spurs at this point.

                              The most deflating thing about great goals that you remember from when you were young is that so often now you're just staring at the goalkeeper and wondering if he was a spectator that had been asked to fill in. My memories of the 1987 final didn't include ogrizovic being clearly drunk.
                              Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 12-12-2018, 01:37.

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                                #90
                                You can see the effect his BBC training has had. He didn't sound a natural broadcaster, did he?

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                                  #91
                                  I don't remember clayton blackmore basically being gareth bale.

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                                    #92
                                    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                    The most deflating thing about great goals that you remember from when you were young is that so often now you're just staring at the goalkeeper and wondering if he was a spectator that had been asked to fill in. My memories of the 1987 final didn't include ogrizovic being clearly drunk.
                                    Yeah. Defending wasn't really invented in England until about 1997. The first few years of the Premier League was still fat lads who could head really really far and kick really really hard. Watching United's 1994 team play is hilarious. Four players running through on goal while there's not a defender in sight. They're somewhere on the halfway line having a tab and a can of Stone's. As for the goalkeepers, Jesus Christ, what a shambles. There was Schmeichel, Southall and Seaman, and basically the rest were fellas from the crowd in lurid tops.

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                                      #93
                                      Clayton Blackmore was mint.

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                                        #94
                                        oh christ the goalkeeper tops.

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                                          #95
                                          Originally posted by EIM View Post
                                          I remember thinking Clayton Blackmore's freekick against Montpellier in 90-91 was the most incredible thing I'd ever seen. 45 yards out and hit with such power it knocked the keeper into the back of the net. I saw it again, for the first time since it happened, a few years ago. I was... disappointed.

                                          https://youtu.be/Z6QID_1ZQJI?t=1m18s
                                          Did anyone else overrate it at the time?

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                                            #96
                                            Well I just watched the 1991 European cup winners cup final. Holy shit.

                                            Where to begin. Well..... I watched this match, because I watched highlights of it and it looked like all of the highlights videos were made by rabid man utd fans who left out the barcelona play. I wanted to see the mighty dream team in action in a proper match.

                                            Well....the reason that there's only one chance for Barcelona in all the highlights, is that they didn't manage a single shot on target until the 89th minute. They were fucking rancid. The dream team had mick mcCarthy at centre half (alexancao) and Tony Cascarino up front (julio salinas). It's difficult to know what cruyff saw in alexancao other than he was tall. He was 35 years old, and almost completely immobile. He also had toblerone shaped feet. Now I can see why he had built his team around julio salinas. It was because he looked like the tallest Spaniard who had ever lived. The Thing is that didn't cross the ball for him to head once, not that it would have mattered because unlike in spain he was being marked by two players who had seen a tall striker before. Instead of crossing the ball for him, barcelona tried the occasional hopeful punted through ball for him to chase, which was a bizarre thing to see because only they seemed capable of confusing him with romario.

                                            Barcelona were missing three players. Zubizaretta and Amor had got themselves suspended, though how a goalkeeper got himself suspended back then is kind of a mystery to me, but this would turn out to be important, because sergio Busquets' dad got to make his debut, and.... it didn't go well. I honestly don't know anything about Amor, but unless he was Billy Fucking whizz he wouldn't have made very much difference, because barcelona made the 1991 edition of man utd complete with Mike Phelan on the right wing, look like a team of kenyan marathon runners. I have rarely seen a team so utterly inert. If Hristo Stoichkov hadn't had a calf injury, they might at least have given away at least one free kick in the man utd half.

                                            Now they could ping the ball around very prettily in their own final third, and they pinged the ball around for a bit at the start of the game, but they visibly run out of steam after about five minutes, and once they got into midfield their whole passing game fell apart, and they rarely got to within 35 yards of the goal with the ball. I mean about five times in the whole game. It's really important to stress that it's not because Man Utd were really good. Man Utd were every bit as bad at football as you'd expect the sixth best team in england at the start of Graham Taylor's reign. Barcelona were actually this bad. If this was a league game between the two sides the reports would read Man utd are going to have to improve their level of performance if they're going to hang onto 6th place, while no-body would be using that dreaded phrase that barcelona were too good to go down, because they weren't. There's simply so little to suggest that they are 9 points ahead in the spanish league, and are about to win the european cup in the next season.

                                            The pattern of the game was broadly Man utd ran around a lot, without any real plan other than to run around a lot for the standards of the time, and to try and drop passes in behind barcelona's high, and slow line, which wasn't protected by any sort of pressing in midfield. Barcelona's plan was to be terrible, and kick anyone who came within range.

                                            I forgot that Michael laudrup was playing until he put a shot vaguely near the goal from 30 yards late in the first half. He would appear until much later. It's my first time watching a full match of Bryan Robson from vaguely near his peak in a very long time, and I was curious to see what he was like. Well basically he did essentially nothing of any note, and was completely invisible until he took the free kick for the first goal after 67 minutes, and then 7 minutes later he flicks a lovely pass through for hughes to run through for the second. Then two or three minutes later he gets booked for a foul on a barcelona player, and then another two minutes later he should really get sent off for a pretty horrific challenge on michael laudrup. (At this point I can completely see why English football thought he was a great player) this is the freekick that koeman puts against the post and it rebounds onto the back of sealey's head and goes in. there are 11 minutes left and suddenly man utd are clinging on. But Don't rule out barcelona like that, things are going to get worse. After some ineffectual fannying about on the halfway line, barcelona lose the ball and suddenly hughes (Who has played pretty poorly two goals not withstanding) is bearing down on goal and looking for his hat trick. Koeman is by now the centre half, and he's nowhere to be seen. Ferrer's attempt to bring down hughes from behind just bounces off him and it's left to Nando, the left back who has spent the game violating lee sharpe's bodily integrity with his cloven feet, manages to rugby tackle hughes to the ground and is sent off for a professional foul.

                                            Only in the final minute, when Les Sealey has an explicable moment of madness, do barcelona get possession of the ball in the penalty area for the first time, with sealey six or seven yards to the right of his goal, and there is michael laudrup unmarked, six yards out to shoot straight against Gary Pallister from point blank range, and then the game is over. It's a fascinating snapshot of just how bad football was at the end of the backpass era.

                                            The commentator for the match is brian moore, and his co-commentator is jimmy greaves. They also have Dennis Law there. They talk about him, and how man utd could do with him, and they promise to talk to him on a number of occasions, but he only speaks at the halfway point of each half which forutnately is the point where man utd score in the second half. and they have an embarrassing discussion about whether or not hughes touches the ball before it crosses the line. Jimmy greaves calls the carlos busquets, "Mr Biscuit", and at one point in a clear "The game's gone" moment they inform us that the Barcelona Players are on a £25k bonus each to win the match, and Cruyff is on an unimaginable £125K bonus. Man utd are on a £5k bonus It's not made clear if that is to be divided between them.

                                            Thing is I really enjoyed this match at the time. I had absolutely no expectation that it would be this hilariously bad.
                                            Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 12-12-2018, 07:57.

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                                              #97
                                              Originally posted by Sporting View Post
                                              Did anyone else overrate it at the time?
                                              yes, in a "He hit it so hard the keeper couldn't hold it" sort of way.

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                                                #98
                                                I watched an episode of the A Team recently and think I went through the same range of embarrassed horror that I ever thought it was brill.

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                                                  #99
                                                  Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                                  I don't remember clayton blackmore basically being gareth bale.
                                                  We've always had a happy knack of producing left-footers. Pretty much the opposite of England until Ashley Cole came along.

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                                                    Originally posted by Prester John View Post
                                                    England's 1-0 defeat to the USA at the 1950 WC is surely an overrated moment. Yes, it was a shock but it was nothing like the myth that it became.

                                                    On another day, England would've won the game comfortably, and back in Blighty, England's first defeat at home to the West Indies was the much bigger news story

                                                    If anything, England's 1-0 loss to Spain in their final group game was a more significant result, as it actually knocked them out and maybe showed that there was a lot of real work to be done.
                                                    Nah, 0-1 vs Joe Gaetjens and his pals really was as big as they came back then. Given England's general stagnation since, the generations since can't really get a handle on what that would've meant nearly seven decades ago.

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