I completely forgot Christmas Vacation. I love that film.
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostMy mum really likes Die Hard as well and she really hates action films.
I think Die Hard is a bit more than an action film though. You've got the action hero bit. You've got Powell the cop outside, with his back story. You've got Hans Gruber. You've got the kid in the limo in the basement. You've got Holly Gennaro and her secret she's keeping from the bad guys. You've got the media reporting crew. You've got Ellis on coke trying to fix things. You've got the black tech dude in the gang. You've got the FBI guys in the helicopter. Plus it's a very smart script and it's Christmas!
The reason it might feel hokey and cliché now is because every action movie since has aped it.
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I think my flatmate most definitely would put it in his top ten movies ever. But then he’s never seen any Scorsese pre Goodfellas, and seems to regard the 70s as an impossibly long time ago for films, much like I would have thought of most 40s films as a nipper. He’s only 6 years younger than me but. Though for him films seem to begin with Commando and Terminator and the rest of the VHS kings, with the Modern era being somewhere around early Tarantino. I feel old and uselessly snobbish.
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostI know someone said it wouldn't make a top ten list of movies but if you had to make a list of top movies by genre I'm not sure what would be ahead of it in the action movie genre.
I jest, of course - though Commando is brilliant in its own way. Watch that and watch Die Hard and you'll be massively entertained by both, but the latter is so much better a film. It's certainly in my top ten ever.
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Originally posted by WOM View PostCCBB was on tv the other night, so I watched the last half. The child catcher still gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Just fifteen minutes or so but often shown on German TV at Christmas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVd_VLO9xcc
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostI know someone said it wouldn't make a top ten list of movies but if you had to make a list of top movies by genre I'm not sure what would be ahead of it in the action movie genre.
#1 The Dark Knight
#2 Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
#3 Inception
#4 Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
#5 The Matrix
#6 Star Wars
#7 Dangal
#8 Avengers: Infinity War
#9 Gladiator
#10 Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Die Hard? 29th on the list of action films.
Now some of these people are going to say "what is [x] doing on that list? It isn't an action film, it's an [y]" and yes, Star Wars, for example, is a Fantasy film. And an action film. Many films cover multiple categories. Die Hard itself is listed as both an action film and a thriller. Which seems appropriate.
I have no idea what Dangal is, btw. Anyone?
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Digby, The Biggest Dog In The World.
Before this thread I had no idea that Die Hard had any Christmas relevance.
How much action does there have to be in an action film? Isn't Return Of The King famous for having very little? Similarly, The Empire Strikes Back is pretty action light once they get off Hoth. If those two can make it I feel on safe ground in saying Wages Of Fear is the best action film despite it being around an hour before there's any action, cos after that the action doesn't stop.
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Return of the King has a lot of action, just not quite as much as the Two Towers.
Die Hard is part of a genre of action films - especially popular in the 80s - that do not feature any explicit sci-fi or fantasy elements (that's not to say they're any more realistic, though). This seems to appeal to a broad group of men age 14-50 who think associated with comics or role-playing games is not manly, so they prefer films with lots of guns, cars, and guys saying, in various ways, "I'm too old for this shit."
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Originally posted by G-Man View PostI think the trick with Die Hard, along with all these things, was that Bruce Willis was no conventional action hero with oversized muscles or superpowers or a Bronsonesque sadistic streak. He is an everyman who'd much rather have a cold beer than being out through all this scary kill-or-be-killed shit.
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Dangal appears to be the highest-grossing film in India's history, and was also popular in China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangal_(film)
Given that those two nations together is a potential audience of 2.5 billion people, no real surprise Dangal makes a global top ten too.Last edited by blameless; 30-11-2018, 18:31.
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Die Hard is on a 1st year module I teach, so certain sequences are far too familiar to enjoy anymore. And my view is coloured by some of the shite I have to read about it every year ( from the students I mean).
No-one else for Bad Santa..?
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