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    The far right in Europe

    This subject has been touched upon in many threads. The trump one, the Orban one, the Brexit one, and others, but i think it really needs its own thread.

    Obviously there are a number of extremist right wing leaders across Europe - in Hungary, Poland, Austria, Italy for a start. Plus increasingly powerful parties in other countries - Germany, France, the UK (UKIP may be on the wane, but a lot of the rhetoric and racism is in the right wing of the Tory party). This shift to the extreme is supported by Putin, and Trump, and Netanyahu (despite the contradictions in the fact that may of these movements are anti-semitic)

    There is the usual hope that the contradictions of trying to form a trans national movement of nationalists is massively problematic. While Netanyahu might see common ground with anti semites, this is largely because these groups feel anti-Muslim racism is a richer furrow to plough, and Bibi is very much on board with that. But Erdogan would be a natural ally of these people politically, but obviously cannot become one because they all hate Turks and Muslims. Yesterday (as reported on the Trump thread) Poland's ruling PiS party said that they had been contacted by Steve Bannon about uniting these groups across the continent, but rejected him (a) because they don't regard themselves as anti EU, but more likely because (b) they are naturally opposed to Russia/Putin, and many of these groups are aligned with Putin.

    Couple of other articles on Bannon and his attempts: Bannon gets mixed reception from fascists, some of whom think he just wants to give jobs to his mates like Farage (pleasingly even fascists seem to hate Farage) https://www.politico.eu/article/stev...alvini-le-pen/

    Boris Johnson is working with Bannon https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...n-steve-bannon

    #2
    The Sweden Democrats got 25% in the latest opinion poll, which would make them the biggest party in the Riksdag.

    Elections are in September.

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      #3
      a lot of he far right being driven by israel- trying to create an antiIslam alliance.




      and of course as predicted a hostile environment for Jews in Europe is good for Israel since it make emigration more likely

      From haaretz

      his meeting with the Visegrad Group (Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia) in July, Netanyahu felt comfortable enough among friends to describe the EU’s policy towards Israel as “a joke” and “actually crazy.” He was relying on the leaders of these four countries to help Europe “decide if it wants to live and thrive or if it wants to shrivel and disappear” and the way to do that was “a different policy toward Israel.” To get these nations to stand by Israel in the European forums, Netanyahu has been prepared to overlook the inclusion of racist politicians and Holocaust revisionism of the Polish government and the anti-Semitic tone of the Hungarian government’s campaign against Jewish financier George Soros. Israel’s silence under Netanyahu has been in contradiction to that of major local and international Jewish organizations – just as he has ignored the distress of American Jewish over U.S. President Donald Trump’s embrace of anti-Semitic white supremacists. Now he is looking to the new Kurz-Strache government in Vienna to add Austria to his pro-Israel coalition in the EU.

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        #4
        Yes, Netanyahu is pissed off at the EU because they speak up every now and then when he bombs Palestinian hospitals and bulldozes villages. So in his mind, any anti-EU parties in Europe are his friends, even if they are, you know, actual fucking Nazis.

        The Sweden Democrats definitely have their roots in Nazism.

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          #5
          Originally posted by anton pulisov View Post
          The Sweden Democrats definitely have their roots in Nazism.
          So do Swedish Social democrats and C the peasant party.

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            #6
            Social Democrats are like 1984.

            Centerpartiet run by a lunatic.

            Who the hell is there to vote for (who will get the 4% minimum).

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              #7
              Originally posted by anton pulisov View Post
              Social Democrats are like 1984.

              Centerpartiet run by a lunatic.

              Who the hell is there to vote for (who will get the 4% minimum).
              Surely, the Greens, as elsewhere, seem a perfectly benign centre-left option?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Diable Rouge View Post
                Surely, the Greens, as elsewhere, seem a perfectly benign centre-left option?
                PPV says they are arseholes as well.

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                  #9
                  PPV says all politicians are arseholes.

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                    #10
                    You be the judge.
                    The Swedish green received 7% in the last election, yet they have 8 out 27 minister positions. Half of which are bullshit. Why you'd need a Minister of Environment and another for Climate and Environment is an example of bullshit.
                    Anyway, so they are very much in power, running Sweden together with Social democrats.

                    SD have called for tougher immigration policy. There are at least four, five other things they have called for and both Social Democrats together with the green have called them Nazi's on those occasions, auto-pilot style. During the past 18 months when those currently in power have noticed a swing in public opinion where they could lose power, they suddenly began, both social democrats and green to suggest the exact same things SD have called for.

                    Yes, I have a solid contempt for politicians. They are thieves, the lot of them, and they care little about principles. Power is the only thing important for them. The green could call SD Nazi's one week, then without any shame stand and suggest the exact same things their opponents have, without a blink. Like tougher immigration policy. And that's just the tip of the ice berg in Sweden right now.
                    They're chimp's the lot of them, from left to right.

                    I also don't get this "green are great like they are everywhere because they are green". This automatic stance reminds me more than anything about how sects work, and how people praise Jehova's or Scientology or whatever, and whichever chapter it is around the world.
                    People used to walk with rock stars on their T-shirt, now they walk with bloody politicians. Be it Trump or Sanders or the president of Kyrgystan, it's weird, and it's becoming more weird this development in the world. When we buy now should have learn never to trust politicians, people are picking sides and offering them even more power.

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                      #11
                      Typical Swedish green, from past year alone

                      One of the main in their youth chapter: Writes long article how taxes on flights should be increased, right after an increase, and urges people to fly less because it's bad for the environment. Is discovered to have flown 50 times to England to visit boyfriend and when challenged says something like "well, that's different"

                      Their leader is discovered to paint own boat with cheaper colour containing the shittiest kind of chemicals. also didn't pay energy taxes, and dumped greywater. Later compared the refugee situation with that in Auschwitz and called the New York terror attacks accidents.

                      One of their main donkeys has to resign after pictures emerge where he is fraternizing on several occasions with extremists.

                      Actually, there've been so many things with current corrupt government that someone has made a scandal generator. http://skandalgeneratorn.se/
                      The list is very long.

                      And if SD came to power, it would go from an asylum to a clown house with inflatable castle and everything.

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                        #12
                        Yes, I have also noticed the current government trying to suddenly look 'tough on immigrants' before the election, to woo voters they have lost do Sweden Democrats. It's quite sickening.

                        Also, I've always had a bit of doubts about the Swedish greens because they have a history of Euroscepticism (which they claim to have disavowed). Remember, Sweden only joined the EU in 1995 after they crashed their economy and begged to join. There is an undercurrent of isolationism / superiority complex in Sweden, and the Swedish greens are rooted in that.

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                          #13
                          Actually, there've been so many things with current corrupt government that someone has made a scandal generator. http://skandalgeneratorn.se/
                          The list is very long.
                          Amazing, the Green minister took a government jet flight from Bromma to Arlanda.

                          (Like flying from Gatwick to Heathrow, but closer)

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                            #14
                            Not to mention the wide spread antisemitism among the green and social democrats.
                            Strangely enough, after all this calling them Nazi's in SD, couple of their main candidates are Jews.

                            Right now you can't trust anything in the main papers or what politicians say in Sweden. It's all a game.

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                              #15
                              Anyway, back on topic. The far right in Sweden are these. NMR (transl. Nordic Resistance Movement)
                              There's a couple hundred of them scattered across Sweden but they do organise quite a lot of demonstrations and meetings where the intention is to intimidate someone on the left scheduled for speech.
                              Mostly laughable though. They look like a bunch of waiters their mums buy and iron the shirts. No chance whatsoever that they will gain any greater following.

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                                #16
                                Erdoğan is not far right but uses many of the strategies and policies of Putin et al. The far right in Turkey has always been prominent in the form of the MHP or their splinter party of Meral Akşener and the Iyi Partisi. There are also other far right religious parties like the BBP who are Islamo Fascists.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Pietro Paolo Virdis View Post
                                  Anyway, back on topic. The far right in Sweden are these. NMR (transl. Nordic Resistance Movement)
                                  There's a couple hundred of them scattered across Sweden but they do organise quite a lot of demonstrations and meetings where the intention is to intimidate someone on the left scheduled for speech.
                                  Mostly laughable though. They look like a bunch of waiters their mums buy and iron the shirts. No chance whatsoever that they will gain any greater following.

                                  The NMR have been quite active in Oulu recently, although their numbers are still quite small.

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                                    #18
                                    Are the Sons of Odin a multinational organisation? They set up protection patrols in the market square here, until the police told them to leave.

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                                      #19
                                      Not exactly about the far right, but another European country descends into a level of awfulness as the Bulgarian constitutional Court basically decides to legalise domestic abuse https://emerging-europe.com/in-brief...stic-violence/

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                                        #20
                                        Neither the UK nor the Republic of Ireland has ratified the Istanbul Convention.

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                                          #21
                                          Thanks ursus. Have passed this along to the author

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                                            #22
                                            I find the fact that none of the Low Countries nor Norway has done so to be curious, and wonder if there is a concerted campaign against the Convention.

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Me Old Flower View Post
                                              Are the Sons of Odin a multinational organisation? They set up protection patrols in the market square here, until the police told them to leave.
                                              The Soldiers of Odin is the atheist fascist hate group you're thinking of, and yes, they do have a presence in English Canada. In Quebec, "La Meute" (the wolfpack) is the group that monopolizes white anti-immigrant hate. Both of these groups have a kind of biker gang vibe, tatted-up redneck yokels, as opposed to the clean-cut fascist look sported by those Swedish retards marching with the Gladbach flags.

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                                                #24
                                                The Swiss People Party has been the main party for years, using the direct democracy tool at their disposition to push the country further to the right (with mixed results) as the country executive is designed in a way to have as wide a spectrum of ideologies as possible. Even their star politician, Blocher failed when becoming part of it.

                                                With the canton having a large degree of autnomy, there are huge differences in how a canton is run, from ultra-conservative central ones to very liberal ones like Geneva or Basel.

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                                                  #25
                                                  [in French] An informative long read about the evolution and current situation of the far right in Europe since 2001:

                                                  http://grand-angle.lefigaro.fr/extre...vote-populisme

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