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    #26
    Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
    Repeatedly.
    I bloody hope so!

    I tend to avoid anything with super-heroes although I broke that rule for "Dr Strange" and I was glad I did...

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      #27
      EfLA is a mess of a film, but it is an entertaining mess of a film. If you know EfNY then there are a lot of homages, callbacks and reflections. (e.g LA being the only free place in the US, rather than NY as the only prison)

      Plus, the idea of a fascist President imprisoning people on gender, sexuality or racial grounds and leaving his daughter to die because he wants a device to blow up the world doesn't sound that unrealistic these days. Oh, and he built a wall to stop them crossing back into America.

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        #28
        Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
        I'm guessing that you didn't last long with Bambi, then...
        I'm not going to watch it again, certainly. And I don't think I'll watch this new CGI version of Dumbo, another Disney classic about animal abuse. At least in that one, however, the abusers get their comeuppance, but still, it's very sad and unfortunately not just a relic of the past.

        You people are missing out on some good films and kids books. Harry Potter is really good.

        I generally have no interest in horror. Certainly no torture porn or slasher films. I do like some gothic/victorian ghost stories, though. I liked the Woman in Black. I also really liked A Quiet Place. But I've never seen The Shining (I probably should, just because it's so influential), or Halloween, or any of that. I thought Scream was really stupid. I've also never seen Silence of the Lambs. Just in general I think serial killers, in either horror or crime/detective stories, are a hack over-done premise that needs to rest for about 30 years.

        I've generally had it with writers and actors who think the villain should be the most interesting character and the hero is the straight man. It's been done to death and it's fundamentally bullshit. It's easy to be a bad guy - you only have to care about yourself and say clever things. Being a hero is much more difficult because they have to care about other people. Those characters are potentially a lot more interesting, but too few writers get that.

        I usually give a miss to anything in which the phrase "navy seal" or "green beret" is in the description and anything directed by Peter Berg et al. to glorify the "war on terror" is out.

        My enthusiasm for the superhero films is fading. I was way into that stuff as an adolescent and am always interested, at least in the DC stuff, to see how they translate it. I don't see how any adult who doesn't have a sentimental attachment to that stuff would care about it. But there is a lot of good stuff that can be mined from comics, even the DC and Marvel comics, that aren't standard superhero stories and may interest people not into those. Logan, for example, was really a western and Hellboy is a gothic ghost story, so if you ever like those things you'll probably like those movies even if you don't usually like superheroes.

        I'll see anything that is based on an old sci-fi short story or looks like it could have been a Twilight Zone episode. Of course, a lot of those movies end up feeling like they would have worked much better as Twilight Zone episodes rather than stretched out into feature films. Annihilation, for example.
        Last edited by Hot Pepsi; 18-07-2018, 16:10.

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          #29
          Spoiler!

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            #30
            Originally posted by WOM View Post
            Spoiler!
            Not really. It's obvious in the first 10 minutes.

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              #31
              I do like some gothic/victorian ghost stories, though. I liked the Woman in Black.

              Not The Woman in White?

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                #32
                I've never seen The Woman In White.

                I was referring to this

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                  #33
                  Originally posted by treibeis View Post
                  A bloke I vaguely know runs an English language school here. His company slogan is "We have ways of making you talk!"

                  It goes over the head of most people who sign up there, but it makes me smile every time I see it.
                  That's tremendous. All power to him.

                  Perhaps Stumpy's header could've been improved with '...under any circumstances'?

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                    #34
                    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
                    I've never seen The Woman In White.

                    I was referring to this
                    Yeah, that was good. And spooky.

                    But, I mean, I get startled watching Jeopardy.

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                      #35
                      Originally posted by WOM View Post
                      Yeah, that was good. And spooky.

                      But, I mean, I get startled watching Jeopardy.
                      It was good because I saw it in a theater. Something like that on an iPad or whatever doesn't really work.

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                        #36
                        About 95% of current Hollywood output. Any horror film, any superhero film, any mindless action film, most chick flicks, most musicals.

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                          #37
                          I am really surprised that the market for superhero films doesn't appear to have reached saturation point yet. I'd rather read about comics than actually read comics (The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay is one of my favourite books ever), so I don't really get it. I'll watch the odd one if it's on the telly late at night, but they're all basically the same. Though I'll make an exception for The Incredibles, which we went to see the second one of the other night and which didn't disappoint. Not quite as tight as the first one, but more Jack-Jack. And, it's not really a superhero film.

                          But I don't really have anything I'd say I will not watch. A good portion of EIM's choices, perhaps: that horror/torture porn stuff doesn't do anything for me. But aside from that even absolutely terrible arse like The Da Vinci Code is stuff I generally find good for a laugh and a few tips on How Not To Write if I'm flicking through the channels and there's nothing else on.

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                            #38
                            Yeah, burned out on superhero movies after about the first Avengers movie, which did about as much as can be done with that format. I don't absolutely refuse to watch them, but whenever I do watch one now, I'm left totally underwhelmed, even by the supposedly better ones. As you say, they're all effectively the same movie.

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                              #39
                              Torture porn
                              Gross-out comedies
                              Romcoms
                              Supernatural/jump horrors

                              That's about it for me. Like Sam I'm quite happy to watch terrible films that can be moderately entertaining. Those awful mockbusters, bad disaster films (had great fun re-watching Meteor the other night), most things have their moments for me.

                              I'd probably manage more horror if I hadn't turned into a complete coward. Had my phase of Fulci/Argento films as a teenager, now I can't stomach gore and I've never been able to handle jump moments, even if films that weren't supposed to be scary.

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                                #40
                                I don't watch horror movies because they scare me long after the movie is over.

                                And I tend to avoid musicals on screen and stage.

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                                  #41
                                  Anything that is about high school or frat houses.

                                  Agree about the Matrix. Utter bollocks.

                                  And zombie movies.

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                                    #42
                                    The first Matrix was pretty good and then it went off the rails. The anime movies were better.

                                    There are many good high school films (more bad ones, of course) and Animal House is an essential American classic. You should give it a go.

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                                      #43
                                      Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post

                                      There are many good high school films (more bad ones, of course) and Animal House is an essential American classic. You should give it a go.
                                      Yeah, a sub-genre that's turned out some good flicks, Clueless is right up there with any comedy. Rebel Without a Cause, Carrie, Heathers, Gregory's Girl, Peggy Sue Got Married, Blackboard Jungle and Rushmore spring immediately to mind too.

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                                        #44
                                        I have seen Animal House. OK but that's all for me.

                                        Some good films there Amor. I was thinking along the lines of "Porky's" and its offspring.

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                                          #45
                                          The first Matrix film was one where I had to fight the urge to stand up and shout "THAT IS HORSESHIT!" in a crowded cinema during one of the scientific explanations. Also:

                                          Mr Smith: "Do you know what humans are, Mr Anderson?"
                                          Me not quite enough under my breath: "A virus. He's fucking going to say a virus."
                                          Mr Smith: "They are a virus."
                                          My mate: "Look, are you wanting to leave?"

                                          Trek science I can deal with. But when it is trying to be deep and meaningful and mystical and related to the real world all that, just fuck right off. I mean, The Matrix took three films and 9 hours to do what the end of Men In Black did in 20 seconds as an end of movie gag. But hey, at least we know that they read several books.

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                                            #46
                                            Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
                                            The first Matrix film was one where I had to fight the urge to stand up and shout "THAT IS HORSESHIT!" in a crowded cinema during one of the scientific explanations. Also:

                                            Mr Smith: "Do you know what humans are, Mr Anderson?"
                                            Me not quite enough under my breath: "A virus. He's fucking going to say a virus."
                                            Mr Smith: "They are a virus."
                                            My mate: "Look, are you wanting to leave?"

                                            Trek science I can deal with. But when it is trying to be deep and meaningful and mystical and related to the real world all that, just fuck right off. I mean, The Matrix took three films and 9 hours to do what the end of Men In Black did in 20 seconds as an end of movie gag. But hey, at least we know that they read several books.
                                            Sci-fi *can* be deep and meaningful and mystical. If you refuse to be open to that, it's not the film's fault. It is the film's fault that the dialogue was wooden and some of the details weren't very well thought out. But that doesn't completely undermine what is good about it.

                                            It's all explained here.


                                            Humans are a virus or, at least a disease, from the perspective of the machines.

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                                              #47
                                              That I get. That I understand. But the humans were kept around as, effectively, batteries. So why doesn't the Super Duper AI replace them with, for example, cows? Same result with much less chance of rebelling... six times.

                                              The "well done, you read a book" thing is basically how the literary references are scattered around, and used by the Wachowskis to either show off or to bludgeon the viewer. "Follow the white rabbit" for instance, just in case you didn't spot that the whole thing is Alice in Wonderland anyway. I don't mind stuff based on Platos Allegory of the Cave - just against something whizz bang and shiny pretending to be new and deep.

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                                                #48
                                                So why doesn't the Super Duper AI replace them with, for example, cows? Same result with much less chance of rebelling... six times.
                                                That was the weakest bit. It should have been that they needed humans to continue this massive simulation to figure something out - like the mice in the Hitchiker's Guide. Just using people as batteries doesn't make a lot of sense, though it's implied a bit in the Animatrix that the machines did it as revenge, but if the machines are capable of spite, then that have been explored a bit more in depth.

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                                                  #49
                                                  Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                                                  I don't watch horror movies because they scare me long after the movie is over.

                                                  And I tend to avoid musicals on screen and stage.
                                                  Same. I will go to a musical if someone I like (a lot) is visiting and wants to see something specific, but I tend to avoid the musicals as much as possible. I would never watch a movie musical. I've never seen Grease, for example.

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                                                    #50
                                                    I'll watch almost any film as long as it's not "worthy" or supposed to make you think.
                                                    So stuff like Schindlers List are right out.

                                                    And count me in on torture films. Couldn't be less interested.

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