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    If you could decide the next world cup hosts?

    Throw out Qatar and replace with something else, then the next one and the one after if you wish. That gives you up to three different if you have several options in mind.

    To begin with, let's agree on scrapping this nonsense with 48 nations. 32 it is, not a single less not a single more. Discuss all you want about changing how many spots each confederation should get compared to now but I'm more curious about hosts here.

    It's not very easy.

    To begin with we have this whole football brings people together shtick, and Japan/Korea was a great tournament in many ways. Did it bring Japan and Korea closer? Would a UK/Ireland bid make any difference in relations?

    Then we have this not giving it to countries governed by swine. Which might leave half the countries in the world out of the race. China is out for sure? I bet plenty on here would dismiss countries like Poland or Hungary, and that kind of sets the bar where more than half of the countries in the world would be out of the question. If there's to be any consistency. And if Hungary or Poland can bugger off, can UK with it's Brexit get on the same train away from it?

    Then we have the (possible) dilemma of someone recently hosting it, not being fair if they get it soon again.

    Then there's countries with enough problems where building a bunch of everything it takes and spend billions, will fu** things up even more for only one month the world does its best trying to make them forget what deep shit we've left them in.

    So it's kind of getting narrow in the end.

    I'm for UK hosting it next time. Everything is in place. Not much needs to be added. As long as greedy politicians and other muppets are kept out of it, it could very well be one of the cheapest world cups organized.

    I'm pulling this out my arse now but a Uruguay/Paraguay joint bid?

    A joint Scandinavia bid sounds great at first but there are no grounds for this, and travel between the countries would be a bitch considering a very large amount of fans come by train or car, they travel between the venues in car or by train and Sweden especially can't even take care of train travellers now when there's five of them to get from Stockholm to Sundsvall.

    Australia seems a rather good option.

    A joint (partly)Balkan bid with Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia... well it would be complicated not because they wouldn't get along. Because who's invited and who's not? Does Slovenia get some games, or Montenegro. What about Kosovo? And the grounds need to be rebuilt, all of them, then there's the massive corruption in all countries.

    Turkey would perhaps be good if it wasn't for that hitlerish loon Erdogan.

    Maybe it should be played on the moon.

    But enough of this, where would you have it?

    #2
    I'd definitely go with Australia, a part of the world that could do with the boost to football's profile and a lovely destination with the stadia and infrastructure already there to host.

    A lot of travel but then so has Canada/USA/Mexico.

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      #3
      Ultonia will be looking to reprise last-term's successful UEFA Women u-19

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        #4
        Originally posted by Бога Нет View Post
        I'd definitely go with Australia, a part of the world that could do with the boost to football's profile and a lovely destination with the stadia and infrastructure already there to host.

        A lot of travel but then so has Canada/USA/Mexico.
        I don't follow it but surely there must have been some rugby equivalent already held there? OK, so it's not as many nations but is that such a huge difference? All they'd have to adapt to is a bit more sheep coming in and more shepherds being prepared.

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          #5
          Spain. It's been a long, long time now, and they seem to have a couple of huge stadia that never get used.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_de_La_Cartuja

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadi...Lluís_Companys
          Last edited by Kevin S; 20-06-2018, 12:29.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Pietro Paolo Virdis View Post
            I don't follow it but surely there must have been some rugby equivalent already held there? OK, so it's not as many nations but is that such a huge difference? All they'd have to adapt to is a bit more sheep coming in and more shepherds being prepared.
            It's got ten stadia over 40,000 capacity, although they are in only five cities (3 in Sydney, 2 each in Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide, 1 in Perth) and only two (about to be three) are traditional rectangular shaped, with the rest being ovals. There is a growing trend for rectangular stadia (for use by football, RL and RU) of around 30,000 capacity and some of these could be upgraded - but they are in or close to the same cities as above.

            Governments in Australia seem to love spending money on stadia though, so that angle shouldn't be a problem.

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              #7
              It would be brilliant for fans travelling half the way across the world, then able focus on a handful cities, not a dozen. Regardless of distance still being huge.
              I don't get this new thing bringing fans together then you spread them to shite and different city every game. It's crap.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
                Spain. It's been a long, long time now, and they seem to have a couple of huge stadia that never get used.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_de_La_Cartuja

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadi...Lluís_Companys
                Seconded. Germany had their second 32 years after the first and we are already past that. Scotland and Wales co-host?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post
                  It's got ten stadia over 40,000 capacity, although they are in only five cities (3 in Sydney, 2 each in Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide, 1 in Perth) and only two (about to be three) are traditional rectangular shaped, with the rest being ovals. There is a growing trend for rectangular stadia (for use by football, RL and RU) of around 30,000 capacity and some of these could be upgraded - but they are in or close to the same cities as above.

                  Governments in Australia seem to love spending money on stadia though, so that angle shouldn't be a problem.
                  All the games in 2022 are in one city. This shouldn't be an issue. The stadium in Brisbane (Suncorp, not the Gabba) is an absolutely superb place to watch football (and RL).

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                    All the games in 2022 are in one city. This shouldn't be an issue. The stadium in Brisbane (Suncorp, not the Gabba) is an absolutely superb place to watch football (and RL).
                    I've only done the stadium tour at Suncorp but it does seem a fine venue.

                    The other angle here (of little concern to most football fans, admittedly) is the impact of accommodating the World Cup on the Aussie Rules, RL and RU seasons - they'd have to end early, or be cut in half, because FIFA aren't going to allow other sports to share the playing surfaces during, or in the lead-up to, a World Cup.

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                      #11
                      Was 1990 the last World Cup where each group had the games played in a pair of cities. Australia (and Canada/Mexico/USA) would surely work better using that kind of system. It would cut down on a huge amount of unnecessary travel for teams and more importantly fans.

                      I'm not sure who would pair with Perth mind.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Greenlander View Post
                        Was 1990 the last World Cup where each group had the games played in a pair of cities. Australia (and Canada/Mexico/USA) would surely work better using that kind of system. It would cut down on a huge amount of unnecessary travel for teams and more importantly fans.

                        I'm not sure who would pair with Perth mind.
                        Perth would probably upgrade its rectangular stadium (to go with the bigger oval) and be able to accommodate a whole group (ie having the last two games in the same city simultaneously).

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Greenlander View Post

                          I'm not sure who would pair with Perth mind.
                          Maybe they could build a new island with a stadium right off the coast of Perth, with a Truman show like community living there.

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                            #14
                            I'd give it to Wakanda

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                              #15
                              US West Coast. Los Angeles (Coliseum, Rose Bowl), San Diego, San Jose, Santa Clara, Berkeley, Stanford, Portland/Eugene, Seattle.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Greenlander View Post
                                Was 1990 the last World Cup where each group had the games played in a pair of cities. Australia (and Canada/Mexico/USA) would surely work better using that kind of system. It would cut down on a huge amount of unnecessary travel for teams and more importantly fans.

                                I'm not sure who would pair with Perth mind.
                                Strictly yes, although 1994 did something like this. Five of the six group games were played in two cities, with a wild card game somewhere else. Eg Group A's Colombia-Romania was at Stanford rather than the Rose Bowl or the Pontiac Silverdome where the other group games were held. Each team played two games in one city, and then one game somewhere else.

                                From 1998, it was fully randomised. With the exception of 2002, where it was randomised within one particular country.

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                                  #17
                                  I think something similar was originally planned for Russia- 'clusters' or something. But then they said fuck it, let them eat air miles

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                                    #18
                                    One aspect that PPV didn't mention regarding the UK and why it would be an excellent choice as a short notice replacement is that, in addition to already having suitable grounds so not having to invest billions to prepare, the British spectator now has a proven history of turning up en masse for pretty well any major sports event. In fact, I think Britain is arguably the most engaged sports spectator culture in the world. For example, the attendance at the last Para Athletics World Championship was more than at the previous seven combined. If you needed a short notice host, there would be very few better choices than Britain.

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                                      #19
                                      N. America: Canada - some construction needed but well within the country's means. Main flaw of US bid is access/visa issues for much of the developing world.
                                      S. America: Argentina - stadia already in place
                                      Africa: Joint bid for Maghreb (Morocco-Algeria-Tunisia) or a cluster of west African countries (Senegal-Cote d'Ivoire-Ghana, or Nigeria-Cameroun-Gabon)
                                      Asia: China
                                      Europe: Iberia; UK+Ireland; France+Belgium; Turkey+Greece; EE cluster (Hungary, Czech, Slovakia, Poland and/or Serbia/Croatia)
                                      Australia.

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                                        #20
                                        Keep it in the USA only.


                                        Screw modern, pampered, and domed stadiums. Go for ONLY college football stadiums of at least 86,112 capacity. College towns are more fun (so we'd have to eliminate College Station) and they have a way better atmosphere than the big metroplexes.

                                        Make it the people's World Cup. All tickets $20. By 2026, FIFA won't give a crap about grass, so no need to rip up any turf.

                                        Yeah, Bolivia v. Cameroon in Norman, Oklahoma. Jamaica v. Norway in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Games start at noon, temps hitting 120 degree on the field. It'll be great.

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                                          #21
                                          Thanks to that link, I've just found out that the UNLV stadium is not in Las Vegas, but an unincorporated* town called Whitney, population 2k more than the stadium capacity (36k).

                                          *I don't know what that means.

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                                            #22
                                            It generally means that they don’t have their own public services, and therefore rely on the county/state for police, fire, schools and the like.

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                                              #23
                                              And the Las Vegas strip, where the biggest and glitziest casinos are, technically is not in Las Vegas either. It's an unincorporated town called Paradise.

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                                                #24
                                                I learn something new every day. I think there is a sign somewhere saying "Entering Paradise", but just thought it was the first district of Las Vegas.

                                                *It actually says "Entering town of Paradise".
                                                Last edited by Gerontophile; 20-06-2018, 17:43.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Spain sounds good as do Australia and Argentina. A UK one would be brilliant as long as there was no "Team GB" bullshit. It is probably genuinely time for it as well. Having said that, Australia would, as Harry says, open up the country to football and would be a genuine new step so probably gets my vote. Having only one host team qualifying sits well with me as well.

                                                  I tell you what would be a left field choice is India. They have hosted the U17's World Cup, they have the stadia and another new location.

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