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They left in the 'Labour is institutionally anti-semitic' and didn't cut Baddiel's erroneous misreading from a poll that 28% of Corbyn supporters believed that the World is run by a secret elite of Jews.
But, 'impartial'...
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
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Originally posted by johnr View PostThey left in the 'Labour is institutionally anti-semitic' and didn't cut Baddiel's erroneous misreading from a poll that 28% of Corbyn supporters believed that the World is run by a secret elite of Jews.
But, 'impartial'...
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The Yougov poll Done in August 2015 said t hat 28 percent of Corbyn supporters polled said yes to the question "do you think the world is controlled by a secretive elite?"
(So did 16 percent of Yvette Cooper's supporters.)
No mention of Jews.
Depending on how you define "controlled", "secretive" and "elite" I could certainly agree to that statement.
I don't think you can assume that that 28 percent believe" the sort of shite that's traded in far right circles" or that you can assume that all those 28 percent are antisemitic.Last edited by Nefertiti2; 20-05-2018, 07:05.
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You can get to that conclusion simply by having read a couple of history books, written from the marxist historical perspective. History is traditionally a long list of events where a psychopathic elite do horrendous things to the huddled masses, and then get the huddled masses to do horrendous things to other groups of huddled masses at home and abroad, through Divide and Rule. I'm not sure where the Jews are supposed to come into it. They've generally been firmly in the huddled masses camp, and traditionally been one of the groups that the huddled masses have been turned on, in order to make everyone forget that they're living in a hole in the ground and eating stones.
That question doesn't mean what people say it means.
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View PostThe Yougov poll Done in August 2015 said t hat 28 percent of Corbyn supporters polled said yes to the question "do you think the world is controlled by a secretive elite?"
(So did 16 percent of Yvette Cooper's supporters.)
No mention of Jews.
Depending on how you define "controlled", "secretive" and "elite" I could certainly agree to that statement.
I don't think you can assume that that 28 percent believe" the sort of shite that's traded in far right circles" or that you can assume that all those 28 percent are antisemitic.
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
(ti Janik) Indeed. To me, Mandelson is part of a 'secretive elite', in that he seems to be one of those fellas that operates in the margins, and on boats with Deripaska, Osborne and Rothschild. One of those is Jewish, of course, but I'd have answered 'yes' to that question without even considering that factor (whether I'd have been right to answer 'yes' of course, is another thing...).
The overriding point though, is what mindset/rules do the programme editors follow that takes out comedic criticism of a state, but leaves in an incorrect stat that by association deliberately smears about 100,000 people with the accusation of anti-semitism.
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Originally posted by johnr View Post(ti Janik) Indeed. To me, Mandelson is part of a 'secretive elite', in that he seems to be one of those fellas that operates in the margins, and on boats with Deripaska, Osborne and Rothschild. One of those is Jewish, of course, but I'd have answered 'yes' to that question without even considering that factor (whether I'd have been right to answer 'yes' of course, is another thing...).
The overriding point though, is what mindset/rules do the programme editors follow that takes out comedic criticism of a state, but leaves in an incorrect stat that by association deliberately smears about 100,000 people with the accusation of anti-semitism.
But the bigger point still stands, jeanmid. you can't retrospectively apply the term to define 26 percet of Corbynites as antisemitic
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From what Frankie's described, I can see two possible issues with editorial guidelines - a Contentious Subjects issue where a presenter is expressing a strong personal point of view (possibly without that view being challenged?) and a Tragic Events issue where jokes are being made about a news event with significant loss of life.
That the editorial guidelines, er, have their flaws, and Frankie is a genius goes, to my mind, without saying.Last edited by Lucy Waterman; 20-05-2018, 17:17.
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- Jan 2012
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View PostThat the editorial guidelines, er, have their flaws, and Frankie is a genius goes, to my mind, without saying.
I think he'd do well to explain the guidelines on his feed, otherwise it might appear that he's choosing to debate the issue with people who are not as informed as him, when he could inform them.
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