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    Got a link to your podcast Derek?

    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
    This is an interesting graph. It's structural racism in barchart form. If you're a white person in the US. there's a one in 340,000 chance that you will be killed by a police officer this year. If you're black, there's a one in 150,000 chance that a policeman is going to kill you. (Oddly there's only a one in 310,000 chance of you being shot if you are a latino) But a 1 in 100,000 chance of being killed if you are a native american. Essentially black people are 2.3 times as likely to get shot dead by a policeman as white people.

    I think that the difference in the crime rate (particularly serious crimes like homicides, robberies, assault) accounts for the discrepancy between Blacks and Whites killed by police. Young Black American males are involved in gang and urban violence at far higher rates than Whites, it's a reality with which most Europeans aren't familiar.

    This wasn't always the case btw, a half a century ago, Black homicide rates were much lower. One of the main factors that contributed to the massive increase in crime rates is the erosion of the family structure, which started in the 1960s; boys growing up fatherless are much more prone to engage in criminal activity.

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      Sure it’s here. https://www.apmreports.org/in-the-dark/season-two

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        Cheers.

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          https://twitter.com/IPS_DC/status/1042133658067329024
          https://twitter.com/IPS_DC/status/1042133658067329024

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            Originally posted by linus View Post
            Got a link to your podcast Derek?



            I think that the difference in the crime rate (particularly serious crimes like homicides, robberies, assault) accounts for the discrepancy between Blacks and Whites killed by police. Young Black American males are involved in gang and urban violence at far higher rates than Whites, it's a reality with which most Europeans aren't familiar.
            Holy fuck Linus, are you discounting the trigger happy police who are looking kill Black people for only the most minor violations like selling cigarettes in the street yet see to be able to take in mass shooters and cop killers alive

            I am sure white people of the same demographic are equally disposed to crime and if these black boys didn't have rich white kids volunteering as their getaway drivers things would be a bit better.
            https://thegrio.com/2018/08/02/white...uitted-murder/

            This wasn't always the case btw, a half a century ago, Black homicide rates were much lower. One of the main factors that contributed to the massive increase in crime rates is the erosion of the family structure, which started in the 1960s; boys growing up fatherless are much more prone to engage in criminal activity.
            50 years ago, black men were being killed and locked up in large numbers for daring to ask for civil rights as well as being sent to the other side of the world to fight a stupid imperialist war. They returned home to the inner cities to find all their jobs were moved to the suburbs and replaced with Section 8 and drugs.

            Since when has OTF been a haven for such mindless white supremacy talking points, I had to check to make sure I had not stumbled onto 4Chan or Reddit

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              Jesus, who replaced linus with Bill Cosby circa 2012?

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                Originally posted by linus View Post
                Got a link to your podcast Derek?



                I think that the difference in the crime rate (particularly serious crimes like homicides, robberies, assault) accounts for the discrepancy between Blacks and Whites killed by police. Young Black American males are involved in gang and urban violence at far higher rates than Whites, it's a reality with which most Europeans aren't familiar.

                This wasn't always the case btw, a half a century ago, Black homicide rates were much lower. One of the main factors that contributed to the massive increase in crime rates is the erosion of the family structure, which started in the 1960s; boys growing up fatherless are much more prone to engage in criminal activity.
                But the "crime rate" reflects how the criminal justice system operates and whom they target, as do shooting statistics, so it's a spurious correlation where the real cause is the underlying police and courts racism.

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                  Not only is she racist, but she's clearly too nuts to be a police officer

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                    One for Cal and Adam's House Cat.

                    https://nativenewsonline.net/current...-no-jail-time/

                    http://www.ktva.com/story/39123509/a...l-assault-case

                    It's shocking how he managed to not only avoid prison time, but he will not be on the Sex Offenders register.

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                      Brass neck award for 2018 winner is here

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                        Another fucker who should meet a Seneca end

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                          Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                          Another fucker who should meet a Seneca end
                          Not sure what that means. Her being fired and publicly ridiculed is the appropriate punishment.
                          I wouldn't bet against her not winning. Women who look like her only need to turn on the tears and generally the gears of justice align in her favour.

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                            Hot bath, cold knives. The Roman way out of disgrace

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                              I googled that assumed you meant someone else.

                              Hot bath, cold knives. The Roman way out of disgrace
                              Is that a euphemism for Fox news expert. There is a space as Kevin Jackson has been fired.

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                                ??

                                Seneca was “persuaded” by Nero to slit his wrists in the bath when he fell from favour. There’s a shit tonne of folk both sides of Atlantic I wish would do the same thing this year, from the syph chief down. But that would require a sense of shame.
                                Last edited by Lang Spoon; 01-10-2018, 22:26.

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                                  That would be a long wait.
                                  I would believe this teacher genuinely believes she did little wrong and the fuss is generated by uppity negros emboldened by bleeding heart liberals.
                                  A majority of the US population support Donald Trump and his type despite the denials and protestations so why should they feel shame.

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                                    Yes TG, shocking but not really surprising. I remember two from my time in the Four Corners.

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                                      Originally posted by adams house cat View Post
                                      Yes TG, shocking but not really surprising. I remember two from my time in the Four Corners.
                                      I would be interested to know more details if you are able/allowed to tell.

                                      The story about that man in Alaska choking the native American woman and getting off was shocking. And why are the Native Americans not up in arms and drawing public attention to this?

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                                        About 11 years ago a sixteen year old girl was beaten and raped in a parking lot behind an abandoned WW2 hanger near Bloomfield by two white men in their twenties. It was January and she would have frozen to death if she hadn't been found by a guy taking a short cut home from a bar. She was able to describe their vehicle and the two men who were arrested and charged. The girl was essentially homeless having run away from her foster home.

                                        Rather than go to trial the men chose to accept a plea of aggravated sexual assault. They were given 2 years probation each. Even the DA protested at the leniency. The judge said that they had been traumatized by the experience, their reputations had been ruined and that they should rebuild their lives.

                                        The Native Americans do try to bring this to the public's attention but to little avail. They usually live on reservations and have little contact with the mainstream. They have no high profile lobby, no equivalent to the NAACP, for example, and they are divided into tribal groups that do not get along and have little sympathy with each other. I was told that when an Apache male was asked what could be done he said "She's Navajo. We don't care."

                                        The other example was a middle aged Navajo woman who was beaten and robbed in broad daylight outside the Target store on a busy afternoon. There were dozens of witnesses but no one came forward. No arrests were made. The police didn't exactly push the matter either.

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                                          Hmm. Interesting, but not at all in a good way. Comparison with indigenous people here in Canada is inevitable, though how instructive it is I'm not sure. On a macro level things would appear to be better here. The Congress of Aboriginal Peoples (CAP) has a reasonably strong voice nationally, and — currently — there's a lot of attention being paid to individual aboriginal voices and concerns. This is largely due to a number of tragic incidents/programs — eg: missing and murdered women on the so-called Highway of Tears, and the survivors of residential schools and the "Sixties Scoop," telling their stories. Nevertheless the suicide and abuse levels on many reserves remains appallingly high. As much as fifty percent of young adults and teenagers in extreme cases. The indigenous population of Canadian prisons is also massively disproportionate. There are, I'm sure, still a fair number of individual and institutional racist incidents too. It used to be common for police in prairie cities to drive drunk native people out of town and dump them in a snowdrift in the middle of Winter. However there's also an awful lot of white guilt too, so now we alsohave truth and reconciliation commissions to paper over our predecessors mistakes.

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                                            AHC,
                                            Rather than go to trial the men chose to accept a plea of aggravated sexual assault. They were given 2 years probation each. Even the DA protested at the leniency. The judge said that they had been traumatised by the experience, their reputations had been ruined and that they should rebuild their lives.
                                            That's terrible, Isn't an agreed sentence part of a plea deal or can a judge overrule this and can't the DA appeal on a lenient sentence like they can in the UK?

                                            They have no high profile lobby, no equivalent to the NAACP
                                            I get your point, but they are a terrible example, the NAACP hasn't had much credibility in the black community since the late 50's. It's a massive shame the native American community are not able to utilise social media like other communities Black/LGBT/Jewish for example.

                                            For example with Black issues, there are numerous people on Twitter, Instagram and Youtube disseminating information globally in hours. Good examples were the debunking of the Amber Guyger story, forcing her arrest and firing from the Dallas Police Department.

                                            Who are the Native American authors of their political doctrine, for example, I have books from the like of Dr John Henrik Clarke, Dr Frances Cress Welsing, Neely Fuller Jnr and Elijah Muhammed. Do they have inspirational activists like Malcolm X, Ali, King, Mandela (both of them), Garvey, Sankara and Farrakhan?

                                            What of all this Casino money they are sitting on, can they not leverage that to force politicians to play ball?

                                            These are not criticisms by the way, they are genuine questions as there are gaps in my knowledge that i don't quite understand.

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                                              and they are divided into tribal groups that do not get along and have little sympathy with each other. I was told that when an Apache male was asked what could be done he said "She's Navajo. We don't care.
                                              This really resonates with me, I personally think tribalism is a complete waste of energy and I have very little time for people who talk about that. It just feeds into the "divide and rule policy" of the dominant society and is a major impediment to empowerment.
                                              Sadly, it ravaged post-colonial Africa with the support and prompting of the former colonial masters.

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                                                If your going to ape Amber Guyger, it's probably best to have a gun........

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                                                  The new Carolyn Bryant?

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                                                    She's a real piece of work, and seems to have broader issues (in addition to being racist).

                                                    TG, adams house cat knows much more about the lives of Native Americans in the Four Corners than I do, but I can offer some responses to your questions.

                                                    Native solidarity has never really been a thing in this country. Tribal rivalries remain robust and animosity can run very high (ahc and I discussed this in relation to one of his recent stories). The "casino money" can actually accentuate the problem, as the deals are made with individual tribes, not with any kind of larger organisation. As a result, one can see the individual members of small tribes receiving windfalls in the hundreds of thousands of USD, while members of similar tribes nearby get nothing.

                                                    As to ideologists, I'd direct you to the members of the American Indian Movement, particularly Dennis Banks and Russell Means. Bury My Heart at Wounded Kneed remains the best "modern" survey of the atrocities.

                                                    Finally, on plea bargaining, the precise rules differ by state (as is the case with all aspects of state criminal law here), but it is generally the case that plea bargains only bind the prosecution to recommend a certain sentence (usually a range of years). Judges (not being parties to the bargain) aren't bound by those recommendations and can (and do) ignore them. They can also reject the deal in its entirety, though that is rather less common.
                                                    Last edited by ursus arctos; 16-10-2018, 13:28.

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