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    #51
    How many countries have dropped bombs on Syria in the past decade? This feels like an attempt at some sort of sick all-time record.

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      #52
      You have got to be fucking kidding me.
      The White House wants intrusive inspections of Iran's nuclear sites to continue despite President Donald Trump's withdrawal from a landmark accord on Tehran's atomic program, US officials have told AFP.

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        #53
        Whatever is going on in the Golan Heights there’s no doubt how the BBC is coming down, same side as May. There’s no way they’d have Orla Guerin anywhere near that kind of story now.

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          #54
          Even fucking Jeremy Bowen fell afoul of the Israeli govt, didn’t he?

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            #55
            Here's Regev on Newsnight, (and Evan Davis asking some relatively robust questions for a change)

            https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/994701943997001728

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              #56
              Regev used to do more damage to the reputation of Israel, when he appeared on the Irish news, than the IDF Killing an irish soldier in an artillery barrage. Even Davis can detect that he should say something to him.

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                #57
                Mark Regev actually makes me doubt my own conviction that there is no such thing as "evil" as it usually understood. If satan exists he is amongst us as Mark Regev

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                  #58
                  Interesting that the "The European powers will fold to Trump over Iran - no, no, it won't" debate here involves the same faces as "the EU a neoliberal institution which any movement of the left must have serious issues with - no, no, it isn't"

                  I too think that the European, eh, 'powers' will fall in line quickly behind Trump. As a bonus prediction, I'll wager that Macron will outdo even the UK in cheerleading.

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                    #59
                    Last night after Question time, they had that other show, presented by Arch Thatcherite, pro-brexiteer, David Irving Hiring, Fidesz supporting cock-womble Andrew Neal, along with Michael fucking Portillo and alan fucking Johnson. The outside journalist they had on to do their bit about the Iran Deal, was some Telegraph wanker, who proceeded to spend three minutes giving Trump his full support, and that obviously this was the right thing to do. I found myself just staring at the television, wondering when did the BBC move so far to the right.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                      Mark Regev actually makes me doubt my own conviction that there is no such thing as "evil" as it usually understood. If satan exists he is amongst us as Mark Regev
                      By very definition be is the banality of evil.

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                        #61
                        Fisk has been a bit dodgy for a while and this site - counterpunch- is decidedly dodgy (on the weird pro Putin wing of the left) but this comparison between Trump and Gaddafi is spot on https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05...e-new-gaddafi/

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                          #62
                          Israeli analysis - probably better posted here

                          Regev is an extraordinary figure. Born in Australia, not a particularly religious family. Mother is an expert on Japanese film. Was originally in the Socialist Zionist movement and worked for Olmert. Asked to stay on when Netanyahu became PM. moved ever further to the right.

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                            #63
                            Should this go in the antisemitism thread, the Trump thread, the Orbán Thread?

                            The US opened its embassy in Jerusalem today and the Israeli Foreign Office gave a Party.

                            Look who turned up...

                            https://twitter.com/noa_landau/status/995371243607126016

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                              #64
                              A lot of French businesses have invested in Iran - Peugeot / Renault / Total being the biggest names

                              Airbus was due to sell 100 planes to Iran

                              So not much joy in Paris

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                                #65
                                Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                Fisk has been a bit dodgy for a while and this site - counterpunch- is decidedly dodgy (on the weird pro Putin wing of the left) but this comparison between Trump and Gaddafi is spot on https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05...e-new-gaddafi/
                                I got through about four paragraphs of that bullshit article before I gave up.
                                It was an article written by an ignorant westerner for ignorant westerners who automatically accept it as re-inforces their stereotype of a third-world dictator and makes them sleep less guiltily about how their governments laid waste to Libya in the name of freedom and liberty.

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                                  #66
                                  Yeah, I don't see that, at all. But I fully confess I could fit the bill of an ignorant westerner. (I think that's a bit harsh on Fisk, mind you) And it's not even about Gaddafi, it's about Trump. But whatever.

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                                    #67

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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                      Yeah, I don't see that, at all. But I fully confess I could fit the bill of an ignorant westerner. (I think that's a bit harsh on Fisk, mind you) And it's not even about Gaddafi, it's about Trump. But whatever.
                                      My point is, you cannot compare Gadaffi with Trump if the description of Gadaffi is incorrect and based on a caricature.

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                                        #69
                                        I think you're being a bit harsh on Fisk there TG. whatever else about him, He's been a long time and fairly nuanced critic of Gaddaffi, and a long time critic of the west's relationship with gaddaffi, when they loved him, then when they hated him, then when they came to terms with him. He warned before the bombing to oust him that libya was different to tunisia and egypt, because Gaddaffi was running his country on a tribal basis, and given that none of the countries so keen to oust him were going to help stabilize the country and invest, the situation was likely to devolve into the current civil war. He's just pulling out the bits of the gaddaffi story that match up with Trump. He could also have mentioned that when Gaddaffi went to america, he stayed with Trump.

                                        Trevor Noah did a sketch there a while back where he intercut Trump saying things, with Jacob Zuma, Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, (The dictator of Guinea) and Gaddaffi saying exactly the same things. I would worry that his audience thought the message was about denigrating Trump as opposed to pointing out that the US was abandoning all or it's pretences and adopting the outward political characteristics of a Developing Country, to go with the underlying structures of the economy and society.

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                                          #70
                                          Well the article stated off by calling Gadaffi crackers, mainly because he had Ideas as a world leader above his station.
                                          Living in a tent instead of a castle may sound bonkers to a westerner, but I am sure it makes perfect sense to a Taureg or Bedouin?

                                          It just seems culturally ignorant to me, despite his writing in the past. It sounds more like a 19th Century imperialist empire builders.

                                          "Them Africans walk around half Naked and live in mudhuts, lets take their land"

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                                            #71
                                            I think the crackers thing is a fair point, it grated on me too. I didn't read the tent thing the way you did. It was more about Gaddafi taking his home with him the way Trump does in a different way.

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                                              #72
                                              I can see where you're coming from TG, because literally every other article about Gaddafi and Libya followed exactly that model. But i think you're being a bit harsh on Fisk. He's not into any of that post colonial shite, or laughing at people in the arab world for being superficially different in some way. And he's really not a fan of the interference of outside govts in the arab world. If he says 41 years of absolute rule saw gaddafi go off the rails, he'll have come to that conclusion by listening to his regular four hour speeches in Arabic, not taken his lead from reagan. this is his article on the death of Gaddafi. Much of it is about Gaddafi, but a lot of it is about the possibility of discovering the details of the West's 'complicated' dealings with Gaddafi over the years. And like ad hoc, I just read that thing about the tent as simply being him moving his whole court around with him, like Trump going to Mar-a-lago and other trump golf resorts, with a plane full of staff.

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                                                #73
                                                More low level skirmishes between these two as Netanyahu flies into Moscow to strike a deal with Putin about the SW of Syria.

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                                                  #74
                                                  I'm suspicious of the theory that the Russians won't be sorry to see the Iranian presence in Syria partially if not greatly diminished. Much of the regime's gains have been due to the manpower offered by Hezbollah/IRGC/Shia Mercs. The Russian influence has largely been air support and military advisors (not a glorious record on this either going back to the old Soviet days). The capacities of Assad's own forces is highly debatable, why risk the gains that have been made especially when the war there is probably about to shift to a classic insurgency? Putin is an open book for the most part and his own vanity and ego come first. Oh, and his bank balance as well not forgetting the 200 or so Russian mercenaries who where vaporised by the US when trying to secure some oil fields in Deir-ez-Zor earlier this year.
                                                  Last edited by George; 12-07-2018, 18:21.

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