How the fuck was so much evidence withheld from the jury? How will any rape victim come forward in future when the procedure is so stacked in favour of acquittal via the relevant evidence being excluded?
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A woman texted the BBC today identifying herself only as the parent of a pupil at Methody/ Inst (Jackson and Olding's schools). She supported the jocks indulged argument Berba makes above
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostBut this isn't really about Porn DG, this is the sort of thing that professional footballers in england were engaged in from the mid nineties on.
In nineteen ninety-three
(which was rather early for me) -
Between the start of the “backpass” ban
And the Baggio missed penalty
(with apologies to everything and everyone)
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostHow the fuck was so much evidence withheld from the jury? How will any rape victim come forward in future when the procedure is so stacked in favour of acquittal via the relevant evidence being excluded?
I suppose some people in the North take the Fleg protests seriously, but sleeping on an actual butcher's apron is going a bit far. He's also looking for his legal fees. He has no fucking shame.
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It does seem a little unfair though that the complainants sexual history can be brought up, and a character witness can be called up, but the incident taking place on a bed like an abattoir floor has to be airbrushed out of photos. It's hard to imagine too many people ever making a complaint again.
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Etienne- NI matches E & W. It's consistent but consistently archaic. You can't base a modern legal and justice system on the class system from the Great Reform Bill or Domesday Book eras. Good character is at least in part a euphemism for privileged, no?
Berba- change is gonna come hopefully. This is hard to defend
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Etienne, I don't think anyone had any complaints about any of the decisions to include or exclude evidence, given the rules that the Judge has to operate under. It's the laws that seem to be the problem.
Stopping the Judge's summing up to ask her to discharge the jury because of her tone, is fucking hardcore though. I don't think anyone was quite ready for how incredibly aggressive Nordie lawyers are. I have no idea how some of them go home to their families.
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DG, I agree about character references, but the good character direction (which is what RC mentioned) is different.
I don't think that tinkering around the margins will make much difference. I just don't think an adversarial system works well with rape/sexual assault complaints.
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Japan or France is their likely destination apparently. Not sure how well or not they'll be received. A club will pick them up but Ulster Rugby seem to have done they right thing all along in this case, suspension based on presumed innocence then sacking them despite the not guilty verdict due to their admitted behaviour.
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Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View PostJapan or France is their likely destination apparently. Not sure how well or not they'll be received. A club will pick them up but Ulster Rugby seem to have done they right thing all along in this case, suspension based on presumed innocence then sacking them despite the not guilty verdict due to their admitted behaviour.
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IRFU and UR are effectively the same organ- one is part of the other. They've acted to sort out their PR problem as predicted.
They arguably worsened the problem, by sending other players to the Courtroom circus, letting senior figures like WJ McBride do crass media interviews and so on
In employment law (if the players challenge the sacking, unlikely) there's an inbuilt bias for the employer. They just say 'needs of the business, gross misconduct' even if the contract doesn't specifically define it
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Did players other than Rory Best show up? The Judge made it very clear that He was only in the courtroom because the prosecution asked him to go and see what he was vouching for. I also don't know what they could have done about Willie John McBride. He was being interviewed as the head of a supporters group. The Tension in this situation is between Ulster Rugby as an organization, which is trying to do things like Attract women to the sport, and to increase the number of women playing, and generally project a positive image to raise the profile of the sport in a competitive sporting marketplace, and then on the other hand you have the Ulster Rugby Family which seems to be largely made up of middle aged and older Northern Unionist men, and all of the attitudes towards women that that entails. That ad the fans took out talking about a "silent majority" who wanted the innocent men back playing for ulster being a prime example.
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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View PostIRFU and UR are effectively the same organ- one is part of the other. They've acted to sort out their PR problem as predicted.
They arguably worsened the problem, by sending other players to the Courtroom circus, letting senior figures like WJ McBride do crass media interviews and so on
In employment law (if the players challenge the sacking, unlikely) there's an inbuilt bias for the employer. They just say 'needs of the business, gross misconduct' even if the contract doesn't specifically define it
I didn't realise that Best was there at the request of the prosecution, were the players warned about showing support in public? That seems likely now more is coming out.
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Hmm, I'm pretty sure that it was at the request of the prosecution. I could swear I read that in one of the various articles I've read. The Judge made it pretty clear He was there at the request of a senior counsel to hear the evidence of the complainant, and I don't see why a Defence counsel would want him to see that.
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