It’s fucking terrible. But I’d still rather jack than Fleetwood Mac. Especially the blooozy version without the vibrating with the Coke lineup.
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Early Level 42 were very much in the Brit jazz-funk camp - certainly for their first three albums and until they started having a degree of mainstream commercial success. I saw them live a number of times in the early 80's along with Light Of The World, Morrissey/Mullen, Incognito and (I'd agree with the 'yikes', Jah) Shakatak.
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Originally posted by My Name Is Ian View PostMy wife had NMH play in her living room when she lived in New Jersey and has that plane/record player hybrid logo tattooed on her chest. It's safe to say that she's a big fan of that whole Elephant 6 Recordings thing. I gave that album a few listens and disliked it so much that I didn't even tell her that I'd given it a go in the first place.
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Originally posted by WOM View PostThis is interesting. Can't say you're wrong, or right. I've never spent much time with World Container, because it came after the 'popular drop off' of the Hip and didn't have the radio-ready singles that contribute to the canon.
Originally posted by WOM View PostYour theory on Phantom Power is interesting; it has Bobcaygeon and (of course) Fireworks, which is easily a 10/10 song in my books. It's just perfect. But for power and strength and emotion of being just the right albums at just the right time, it's hard to top FC or DfN. I mean, we actually went to Sam The Record Man on Yonge Street at midnight to buy DfN when it was released. It was a mob scene. That's how big they were here, then.
Originally posted by WOM View PostFully Completely is hard to top, though. That was The Hip at the peak of their power, with Another Roadside Attraction and utter ubiquity on the radio.
Then they tried to repeat PP twice but failed, and then tried to recapture their early sound on In Between Evolution. That didn't really work, but was much better, so they had another crack at it: World Container.
They then seemed to enter a fourth cycle with their last 3 albums, all of which were a bit meh.
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- Mar 2008
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- Dundee Utd, Gladbach, Atleti, Napoli, New Orleans Saints, Elgin City
SAW: definitely a fan of Respectable and the other Wolves Poly student disco faves that'd always get me up included You Spin Me round; White Wedding and another Kylie song no-one's mentioned- What Do I have To Do?
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Originally posted by Felicity, I guess so View PostSAW: definitely a fan of Respectable and the other Wolves Poly student disco faves that'd always get me up included You Spin Me round; White Wedding and another Kylie song no-one's mentioned- What Do I have To Do?
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Say I'm Your Number One was SAW? Dammit, that's another goodie for the list...
I'll concede that early Level 42 fits the UK jazz-funk definition - I guess they went pop around 1982-83?
Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostIt amuses me there are two albums from around the same time called the same thing. Both very good as well.
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Personally, I always thought that Shakatak sounded like elevator music and couldn't really understand the fuss about them when there was clearly so much better stuff about. As for fans of jazz-funk itself, well, I imagine that they might have been a bit peeved that these rather insipid and formulaic records were always on TOTP rather than the 'real McCoy'.
But I'm guessing, of course.
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Originally posted by My Name Is Ian View PostRight down to that completely gormless "duh-duh-duh" at the very end of it. It's as though they've channelled all the very worst that could be managed from synth production in 1984. It's sub-Casio.Originally posted by Benjm View PostVA makes a strong case for IJCTSILY and ultimately it's pop music and the ears want what they want. Stevie's favouring softer styles in the '80s isn't damning in itself and Prince's funky 1990s also require a good deal of sifting to reveal the nuggets. SW is, as VA and Sam say, a victim of the expectations his earlier work generated.
But then, I have really quite straightforward musical tastes in many respects. Benjm's comparison there is apt, because I also didn't get the memo that Prince was vital before about 1990 and shit after, mostly because I was too young to appreciate his '80s stuff at the time and so I only came in in time for the later stuff. To be strictly fair, a lot (a majority, perhaps) of both his earlier and later work does little for me: I acknowledge the 'importance' of his '80s stuff in a sort of abstract sense, and I'm glad it exists, but it has rarely spoken to me particularly. I mean, I love When Doves Cry and Purple Rain and happily listen to the big hits when they come on the radio, but I get that most fans of his would dismiss this attitude for its, well, straightforwardness. I love Gold and The Most Beautiful Girl In The World though as they were the glorious hits (in among a slew of much less songs, which only helped them stand out) when I was 16 or 15 and so 'mean' something to my experience that the earlier ones don't.
Elton John is another suitable comparison. Again, I didn't 'get the memo' about how everything pre-1980 is meant to be great and everything after is meant to be sub-par/schlocky/sentimental/over-produced balladry/whatever, much as with Mr Wonder. I came across all the hits from both decades at once, listening to 1990's Very Best Of cassette on the car stereo on family trips across country, and again all I picked up on was that there's a continuum of great tunes across both eras. And indeed I love a lot of his hits from the '90s, as I 'was there' for those as they happened, so to speak, so again they belong to moments in my teenage years where I was actually listening to the charts and getting into music.
Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View PostAnother one of my unpopular opinions is liking a lot of Depeche Mode not despite the very literal and clunky lyrics, but because of them. Including Blasphemous Rumors and Black Celebration. Sometimes the best way to deal with sadness and anxiety, especially when you're young, is just to say it out loud and sit with it.
Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostZooropa is the best U2 album because it captures them right on the cusp of ditching the sound that made them famous and before they actually found a sound that worked. Which makes it a really interesting listen. Plus it's got The Wanderer on with Johnny Cash singing instead of Bono and that's a fab song.
Ace of Base's Happy Nation album is often forgotten as the pop album of the early 90s. When people talk about 90s music they never talk about how All That She Wants was ubiquitous in 1993, and how that was a great thing.
I only first heard Zooropa at last around six weeks ago, after having received it this Christmas, believe it or not, having only recently finally got around to putting it on my wishlist – and only some three years after finally getting around to Achtung Baby too. It is a terrific album, despite or because of sounding less like U2 than anything else U2 have done. And it contains my very favourite song of theirs (as noted in threads passim), the sublime Stay (Faraway, So Close). I might have to put it back on the stereo after dinner.
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostOK, I'll have a go.
Zooropa is the best U2 album because it captures them right on the cusp of ditching the sound that made them famous and before they actually found a sound that worked. Which makes it a really interesting listen. Plus it's got The Wanderer on with Johnny Cash singing instead of Bono and that's a fab song.
When Zooropa came out I remember thinking I was just a bit bored with U2, so I've never owned it. Maybe I'm missing out.
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Originally posted by Various Artist View PostHahah, see I even like that "duh-duh-duh" at the end, perhaps because of its straight-up gormlessness. It makes me grin.
Listened to I'd Rather Jack earlier for the first time in a very long while. Should come with an advisory warning that the whole thing is absolutely pure unfettered SAW.
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That video though...
Wasn't the term "to jack" already a bit outdated by then? And a bit rich of SAW to complain in lyrics about DJs twice the age of the Reynolds Girls dictating musical tastes!
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Isn't the story of how I'd Rather Jack came to be something to do with one of SAW making a bet that they could get anybody to record a single and get it to #1? Problem was that they might have managed it a year or two earlier but by 1989, their powers were already slightly on the wane.
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Originally posted by Various Artist View PostAnd it contains my very favourite song of theirs (as noted in threads passim), the sublime Stay (Faraway, So Close). I might have to put it back on the stereo after dinner.
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Interesting Sean, though I can't say it does a whole lot for me – I think I'll stick with the original!
Originally posted by Sits View PostThat's fascinating. So "made them famous" meaning the more commercially successful but serious/earnest stuff, and "worked" means not so successful, more dancey/looser? If so I need this album as I always thought Achtung Baby was that tipping point - Mysterious Ways in particular. I do have the 90-00 Best Of and enjoy some of the Discotheque tracks.
When Zooropa came out I remember thinking I was just a bit bored with U2, so I've never owned it. Maybe I'm missing out.
Or perhaps I should say, as an acid test, if you like Numb (which is on the Best Of 1990-2000) then you're probably in a receptive enough mindset for some of Zooropa's more esoteric diversions. If by "some of the Discotheque tracks" you meant Pop tracks, I've always felt the reworked versions on the compilation do them little favour, by the way. Staring At The Sun still sounds OK, but the remix of Discotheque sounds rubbish compared with the original single.
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The Queen Is Dead is not The Smiths' best album. Meat Is Murder is better apart from the title track. The first album has better lyrics but poor production. The last album disappears up its own rectum, far too self-indulgent by both composers.
Morrissey was always a prick, e.g. in interviews
As per the Chart Music podcast, Blockbuster by The Sweet is better than The Jean Genie.Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 25-02-2018, 17:50.
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Originally posted by Felicity, I guess so View PostRevisionism: there are people on here what LIKES Bonio and U2..?!!
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